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Originally posted by Ash20
MR,
I don't need any sympathy and I am working in my field as an engineer. But I see many-many immigrants facing the problem and there is no harm in telling potential immigrants about the situation (even if have to tell 100 times, as there are many people (consultants, CD's, etc.) who try to give so rosy picture).
Thats all very commendable. No Cd is telling that every one should migrate here. Crenshaw himself says its foolish to pack and come here without planning.
Infact, this place maybe downright unsuitable for people who like to have their tea brought to them, even if they work in their own field(or nearabouts). A friend of mine went to the ME and is doing very well there. He missed the 'desi' camaraderie here(among other things), inspite of having a good job here and he packed up and left. He is surely a much happier person...just because he has done it his way instead of coming over to CD and whining about Canada for his personal adjustability problems. Most people bad mouthing this place probably have similar personal/social/professional problems...rather than owning up they insist on presenting their version as the 'truth'. The other side just tends to compensate likewise.
Somewhere in the middle is the truth
. Both sides should probably keep it up for the sake of the same. One thing is for sure...i reiterate...god loves Crenshaw more.-----------------------------------------------------------------
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Originally posted by jake3d
One thing is for sure...i reiterate...god loves Crenshaw more.
Seems YOUR God is discriminating! I thought God loves every one equally.
Now this guy has become God's spokesperson!
Why don't you ask him to buy lottery? Oh! Sorry, he got the lottery when he got reciprocity.
Somewhere Crenshaw wrote that a CD should speak to representative of a CA firm before packing bags and landing here. He keeps writing BS and we suffer it. Now I worked very closely with one of the "big four" in India and one of the partners spoke to the person working in same firm in Canada. Feedback he provided was that Canada is one of the most friendly country and respects knowledge workers and told that generally a person with good accounting experience would not find difficulty in finding employment in Canada. He also told that he can not assure job (and that is quite understandable) as one has to go through HR dept.
Would any body have thought that "Canadian Experience" would be such a big problem in accounting? An educated person would think that accounting standards are same world over (as they are based on international accounting standards, modified to suit peculiar economic and political needs of the country and regulatory environment)
When Crenshaw boasts that he did his due diligance, I do not believe it. May be he has a friend/relation in Canada who might have briefed him and he go his CPA before landing. That does not make him any smarter than many of us who are suffering. That makes him "Lucky" . Well, this God's chosen now gives us sermons.
One thing that I have learnt very hard way is that this is a country which is at least 50 years behind in economic reforms. It is exactly like India under Indira in 70's with one big difference that population is very small and natural resources are abundant.
So guys, it should be simple to understand that when you get License for any profession, you can be assured of reasonably good income and security. It is like being "Thakur" of Hindi film who can lord over its subjects.It is just like "reservation" , a bit sophisticated.
He kept goading me to write how CGA are discriminated and I kept urging to browse CGA website which he has steadfastedly refused to do so. I have stated this before and reiterate again that it is not possible for any one not acquainted with accounting field to appreciate the issue at stake. However, I would try to summarize in a short para
A bill was passed in Ontario house which was based on recommendations of Dean Daniel's study of licensing issues. Dean Daniel's report clearly stated that all the three accounting bodies namely CGA,CA and CMA should have similar access. When bill was debated, all the three political parties unanimously approved it with the same objectives. However, it is typical of Liberals (who I believe have same culture as that of Congress in India) to back stab immigrants. The Govt has authority to nominate majority of PAC (Which was the body constituted to award largesse) members and they packed this body with hen picked persons who never questioned nor debated CA proposals and the result is that limited rights CGA enjoyed to review management audits is now going to be snatched away as under new rules they can not be called "Licensed public accountant". New rule prescribes that first they should serve under CA for 30 months and CA , knowing that will never offer him a job! It is typical "Chicken -egg" story.
Won't bother about the rest.....
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Originally posted by Nightmare
He kept goading me to write how CGA are discriminated and I kept urging to browse CGA website which he has steadfastedly refused to do so. I have stated this before and reiterate again that it is not possible for any one not acquainted with accounting field to appreciate the issue at stake. However, I would try to summarize in a short para
A bill was passed in Ontario house which was based on recommendations of Dean Daniel's study of licensing issues. Dean Daniel's report clearly stated that all the three accounting bodies namely CGA,CA and CMA should have similar access. When bill was debated, all the three political parties unanimously approved it with the same objectives. However, it is typical of Liberals (who I believe have same culture as that of Congress in India) to back stab immigrants. The Govt has authority to nominate majority of PAC (Which was the body constituted to award largesse) members and they packed this body with hen picked persons who never questioned nor debated CA proposals and the result is that limited rights CGA enjoyed to review management audits is now going to be snatched away as under new rules they can not be called "Licensed public accountant". New rule prescribes that first they should serve under CA for 30 months and CA , knowing that will never offer him a job! It is typical "Chicken -egg" story.
1. When the PAC was constituted, the CGA Institute participated on it. The body was comprised of 4 CA's, 2 CGA's, 2 CMA's and 9 public members. If the CGA members had concerns about the public members, or about this composition, those should have been voiced during the proceedings, not after the ruling has been issued. Since no objections, were taken during the proceedings, one can only infer that this is a reaction to an inconvenient ruling.
2. The 'new rule' does not suggest that 'they should serve under CA for 30 months (sic)'. Rather it would imply 30 months of 'public accounting experience'.
3. I don't imagine that you were in practice doing reviews. So how are you being 'disbarred', which is what you suggested in one of your posts? In fact, if you look at the attached http://www.cga-ontario.org/contentfiles/about_us/about_cga.aspx?order=2 public practice appears at the bottom of the list of things that CGA's do!
Incidentally, the CGA Institute does not have 'licensing action' related material on their website (at least from their home page). So evidently, you don't know what's on your Institute's website, else you would not have 'steadfastedly' (sic) urged me to browse it.
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Originally posted by Nightmare
When Crenshaw boasts that he did his due diligance, I do not believe it. May be he has a friend/relation in Canada who might have briefed him and he go his CPA before landing. That does not make him any smarter than many of us who are suffering.
Well, if we are going to go on that trip then we are free to believe that since you exhibit such poor accountability, you arent much of an accounts professional either
. Maybe you arent even qualified to be an accounts professional...how can we believe anything you say? I do not believe it .That may explain your 'suffering' due to bad luck/lack of gods love
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Originally posted by jake3d
One thing is for sure...i reiterate...god loves Crenshaw more.
Seems YOUR God is discriminating! I thought God loves every one equally.
Now this guy has become God's spokesperson!
Take those blinkers off
. If you can be the spokeman for who is 'lucky' and who is not. I can be the same for 'God'. To me its the same.Your ego has been belittled in Canada because you perceive the system here as being unwilling to recognise you, for your +ve qualities. By attributing the 'Luck' factor to Crenshaw's acheivements arent you belittling his hardwork/talents/+ve qualities? I hope this much is not beyond you to understand.
'Lucky' can also be called God's loved one or the universes blue-eyed boy. Its just semantics. We are both attributing abstract notions to something we cannot otherwise makes sense of. My abstract notion of 'gods love' is as good or bad as your abstract notion of 'Luck'.
You keep reiterating the luck factor as a 'truth'...then its also true that God loves you less. Cant have your cake and eat it too...sorry
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Posted on: 30-05-06 09:35:54
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Posted on: 30-05-06 09:35:54
Canadian experience doesnt just refer to your accounting knowledge or technical skills. Employers use this often as a reason when they could be referring to your soft skills.
To put it bluntly - if one is being told over and over about lack of canadian experience, they may want to speak to someone they trust about any personal qualities they have that may be offputting, whether attitude, appearance, behavior. It may even be a very thick accent.
its not PC but thats often what the employer is trying to indicate. Its not possible for an employer to say "I wont hire you because you are wearing too much cologne (for ex), and your business suit shows you dont have any modern dress sense (again for ex).
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Originally posted by morning_rain
To put it bluntly - if one is being told over and over about lack of canadian experience, they may want to speak to someone they trust about any personal qualities they have that may be offputting, whether attitude, appearance, behavior.
I wonder why none of us ever said this in so many words before(though we have tried). Thanks MR!
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Posted on: 30-05-06 13:21:01
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Posted on: 30-05-06 13:21:01
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Originally posted by jake3d
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Originally posted by morning_rain
To put it bluntly - if one is being told over and over about lack of canadian experience, they may want to speak to someone they trust about any personal qualities they have that may be offputting, whether attitude, appearance, behavior.
I wonder why none of us ever said this in so many words before(though we have tried). Thanks MR!
Are u being sarcastic?
Many employers are looking for 'team players' rather than 'independant workers'. If an individual does not understand cultural nuances, get jokes etc or does not understand non verbal communication simply due to the fact that they are from another country/culture, they may be passed over due to lack of 'canadian" experience. It can be translated literaly to " you do not have enough LIFE experience in Canada "
I realize this is harsh..and no offense meant to anyone. Though theoretically we are a multi -cultural nation, in reality, one has to learn how to walk the walk and talk the talk.
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