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lana2005   
Member since: Feb 06
Posts: 545
Location: Toronto

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 09-05-06 12:37:32

I am starting a new thread simialr to the other thread about general mistakes made by you but donot want other desis to make.

Please be brief and to the point. No Canada / India bashing please. Keep to the facts.



jake3d   
Member since: Sep 03
Posts: 2962
Location: Montreal

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 09-05-06 13:03:43


This comes from the HR manager at a place. I remembered this while posting on another thread.

The person said that the people who often ask for less than what they are worth are Immigrants and Single Mothers. On an average, the budget for the position, was atleast 10k more than these people ask for. This lady being a kindly soul especially identifies with single moms(having been one herself), sometimes suggests(as subtly as possible) that they could ask for more...they end up asking for 1k more .

Know what you are worth and ask for it. Do not settle for second best. At the very least negotiate a salary appraisal in the short term(3 months).

NOTE: Have all the points entered in your employment contract. If you are switching jobs...sign the approved contract/offer before you switch.

for more info regarding this threads previous avataar...
http://www.canadiandesi.com/read.php?TID=12908&page=2


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naudurivsm   
Member since: May 04
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Location: VA, USA

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 09-05-06 14:00:59

Thanks Jake for linking in the other thread here.

Here are some tips which would be helpful and
people tend to make mistakes .. by not following these important factors;

Resume creation and submission:

1. Keep your Resume always open (ready to make changes when requried).
having said that I do not mean to change total contents and your
expertise or skill set based on requirements, but change the language, and inserting key words. and / or re-phrasing sentences to suite the requirements.

2. Do not submit resumes or post on "online job boards". if interested post only a limited resume a one page resume breifly describing your skill set and when some one contacts you, then send them the detailed resume.

3. Always submit with a "cover letter" for Canadian market jobs. breif ly describing your abiliteis and how you are a fit to the position applying for.

4. Highlight your achivements in your projects / jobs that you did.
the reason for this is everyone does their job like you do, and the employer then have a lot of choices to pick from. Here by highlighting your achivements you tend to show why you are a better candidate when comparerd to others, and you could substantially contribute to the project than others.
Acheivements differ from occuipation to occuipation. to name a few.
An example in IT scenario;
> Acheived successs completing the project ahead of schdules - resulting on substantial cut down in implementation and roll-out costs.
> Exceptional project palnning which led to run the project with optimum use of resources leading to cut down costs and increase products.
> Appreciations / excellence awards/rewards received.
> Suggested and implemented "system design" changes and programming techniques leading to cost savings and providing overall efficient solutions and customer satisfation.

For Marketing / Sales Managers etc. etc. .

Acheivements are a must for these positions;
since the same view point as above , every one can sell something in their capacity , so what is special about you?

Here are some of the achievements you can mention (only if you did ever participate in these and aware of them)

> Conducted, organized extensive sales campaigns and met the comapny's sales targets of 5 million (currency)
> Researched and created new marketing regions and developed a vast dealer network.
> Augumented several Sales campaigns and trade fairs /shows and successfully launched new products in highly competetive markets.
> Met personal sales targets in much less time than other colleagues.
> Lead and mentored the several sales teams across different regions.
> Show in numbers how much revenue you generated with the above type of campaigns.

you can add more as you feel comfortable.

5. Never mention salary drawn and expected in Resumes.
6. Follow the link to the other thread for how to negotiate your Salary and pay packages.

7. Last but not least make sure you DO NOT follow-up for the feedback. just wait till you hear from them at least till two weeks from the date of Interview.

I will try to post more of these tips covering other skill sets in next post.






morning_rain   
Member since: Feb 05
Posts: 1920
Location: British Columbia

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 09-05-06 14:10:04

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Originally posted by naudurivsm


7. Last but not least make sure you DO NOT follow-up for the feedback. just wait till you hear from them at least till two weeks from the date of Interview.





Naudurivsm,

I disagree with #7.

It is recommended that within 24 hours of an interview, one send a thank you card or fax or email expressing interest in the position and clarifying any points from the interview required.

It is considered acceptable to ask at the interview when one can expect an answer/decision. Then you can ask if it is alright for you to contact them in a week . If they tell you NO..then dont. Otherwise if they say that is fine, wait a week then call. If they are NA, then leave one message. Dont call again and again (this can be perceived as harrassing and may annoy the individual and can get ur application thrown out)


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tamilkuravan   
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Location: God's own country

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 09-05-06 14:20:42

Too add to this let me narrate a true incident in an IT company. It is just a specific case and does not prove or disprove anything.
Andrew and Bong went for an interview. Andrew was more clever than Bong though not ecceptionally clever. Andrew never called up to ask the result. Bong called every few days. Bong was given the job since he was assumed to be more interested in the position and hiring person liked his interest for the job. This was a hiring done by the company directly. This was in IT company which paid $20 an hour.
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naudurivsm   
Member since: May 04
Posts: 376
Location: VA, USA

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 09-05-06 16:01:31

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Originally posted by morning_rain

Quote:
Originally posted by naudurivsm


7. Last but not least make sure you DO NOT follow-up for the feedback. just wait till you hear from them at least till two weeks from the date of Interview.





Naudurivsm,

I disagree with #7.

It is recommended that within 24 hours of an interview, one send a thank you card or fax or email expressing interest in the position and clarifying any points from the interview required.

It is considered acceptable to ask at the interview when one can expect an answer/decision. Then you can ask if it is alright for you to contact them in a week . If they tell you NO..then dont. Otherwise if they say that is fine, wait a week then call. If they are NA, then leave one message. Dont call again and again (this can be perceived as harrassing and may annoy the individual and can get ur application thrown out)



The reason is there could be some more interviews going on and most of the times the clients take time to give a feedback.

As you said at the time of interview itself they say, (will get back to you soon or later) and you always must thank them and come out or hang up on phone,
I do not suggest emailing , faxing of thanking messages as those things are customary for a business dealing and other such meetings.
If you think I am wrong then I will edit my post and remove that remark.



Pink Panther   
Member since: Feb 06
Posts: 533
Location: Private location

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 09-05-06 16:15:51

Quote:
Originally posted by naudurivsm

Quote:
Originally posted by morning_rain

Quote:
Originally posted by naudurivsm


7. Last but not least make sure you DO NOT follow-up for the feedback. just wait till you hear from them at least till two weeks from the date of Interview.





Naudurivsm,

I disagree with #7.

It is recommended that within 24 hours of an interview, one send a thank you card or fax or email expressing interest in the position and clarifying any points from the interview required.

It is considered acceptable to ask at the interview when one can expect an answer/decision. Then you can ask if it is alright for you to contact them in a week . If they tell you NO..then dont. Otherwise if they say that is fine, wait a week then call. If they are NA, then leave one message. Dont call again and again (this can be perceived as harrassing and may annoy the individual and can get ur application thrown out)



The reason is there could be some more interviews going on and most of the times the clients take time to give a feedback.

As you said at the time of interview itself they say, (will get back to you soon or later) and you always must thank them and come out or hang up on phone,
I do not suggest emailing , faxing of thanking messages as those things are customary for a business dealing and other such meetings.
If you think I am wrong then I will edit my post and remove that remark.




I have to agree with MR on this one...I believe that following up after an interview is crucial. It puts your name at the fore front of the interviewers mind.

After I had my interview with my current employer, I emailed my interviewer and thanked him for taking the time to meet with me - there is nothing wrong in being polite.


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