Delhite   
Member since: Nov 04
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Location: Brampton

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 18-01-13 11:58:38

Lets talk about the ground reality - I don't see any visible drop in home prices in GTA. They are not going up but at the same time, they are not going down.

I think the sellers are trying to hold on to their prices so the sales number declined in last few months. I have also seen lots of houses for rent/lease after unsuccessful sale attempt. As long as BOC will keep the mortgage rates low, I don’t think the price will decline.

The new home prices are also steady. Instead of reducing the price, builders have raised the free upgrades. I think the new home price decides the resale price so new home price should go down first.


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JRF   
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Posts: 1853
Location: GTA, Ontario

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 18-01-13 12:32:15


Resale home values have gone down by 3-4% so far from peak crazy price (before the new regulations), you are right the prices will not slide until the interest rate is revised big.

Our dollar is already high, causing our products expensive, revision of interest even another 1-2% would attract the many investors (so there are some benefits but mostly counterproductive), will cause our exports further expensive and push the economy down the drain.

15-20% from the peak would also not go very bad than raising the interest rate which would have unforeseen impact.

So, I feel a stalemate condition is in progress where it is the house price that would relent before the interest rates are revised. (Low sale volume itself is enough to sell the house at reduced price than interest rate).


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Originally posted by Delhite

Lets talk about the ground reality - I don't see any visible drop in home prices in GTA. They are not going up but at the same time, they are not going down.

I think the sellers are trying to hold on to their prices so the sales number declined in last few months. I have also seen lots of houses for rent/lease after unsuccessful sale attempt. As long as BOC will keep the mortgage rates low, I don’t think the price will decline.

The new home prices are also steady. Instead of reducing the price, builders have raised the free upgrades. I think the new home price decides the resale price so new home price should go down first.


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bhootnath   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 18-01-13 13:09:46

ok sales are down, (Ashedfc is missed here), but is there any ratio of available inventory Vs sales? If there is not much listing the sales will obiviously go down and that does not necessarily mean the market is down. Sellers and buyers at this point of time do not see any incentive in selling low or buying high and whatever listings that is there in the market probably 50% of them may not worth buying.



rahul_singh23   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 01-02-13 00:49:09

Is it true?
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The newest numbers from Toronto’s forest of condo towers are just dreadful.

In the last three months of 2012 sales of new units crashed 47%, from the same period a year earlier.
There are now 18,366 brand new, never-lived-in, unsold condos for sale.
At the same time, 207 new projects containing 56,866 more units are currently under construction.

Supply is overwhelming demand, sales are falling off a cliff and inventory is stockpiling. How is this not a formula for lower prices in the months ahead?

In fact, it’s already happening as thousands of formerly virginal, first-time sellers meet Mr. Market. A year ago there were 216,000 existing condos in the GTA and now there are 11,000 more. But sales are falling – by a significant 26%. That means more supply yet less demand, and prices are already cracking, down 3% in the last four months.

http://www.greaterfool.ca/2013/01/31/the-sting/#comments



bhootnath   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 01-02-13 08:46:13

Do you have similar statistics for single family homes by any chance ?(no condos, condos are better to get for rent, not very good for investment/ownership).



san-hugo   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 01-02-13 14:31:01

Quote:
Originally posted by rahul_singh23

Is it true?
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http://www.greaterfool.ca/2013/01/31/the-sting/#comments




NO , not true except that around 200 projects are in progress but that is Ontario wide, Toronto to Windsor, preparations for 2015 pan-am and ever growing demand for rent in GTA area. Builders know much more which you and your Mr Doom fool do not know. Buiders have ability to turn midway a residential project to office space to parking lot as per demand. After all they do not let the money go down the drains. As soon as demand for residentials gets lower they hold on to supply to create demand. This way prices are controlled, else they lose money. Garth may know this but will not tell you, read on if you want to know why.

Hope you know that sensationalised blogging is great potential for earnings and thats what not so great fool Garth is doing by producing fake scary data month after month for years now ! click his 2008 rants. He is earning on your clicks, internally he is happy that market is not crashing and will not, longer the frenzy goes more he earns. After all there are so many fools to be made in the world !



san-hugo   
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Posts: 2009
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 01-02-13 14:39:58

Quote:
Originally posted by bhootnath

Do you have similar statistics for single family homes by any chance ?(no condos, condos are better to get for rent, not very good for investment/ownership).



Good timely question !
Stats are there but he will not show that because those stats will show some positive trend ! At the most they will show some burlington house priced 800k in 2012 (put for selling) and sold for 680k, a whopping 15% drop ! ( but the house was never worth 800k it was actually worth 650k). You better not crave to see that stats. Over to Rahul bhai amrikawale...




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