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rahul_singh23   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 13-04-09 10:58:55

All I wanted was a good job I couldn't lose. I didn't realize I'd end up bringing down the global economy. It was between a real estate license ($200) and an MBA ($65,000). I did the math and, boom, I was a real estate agent.

http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/2009/04/11/real_estate/print.html?ref=patrick.net

But those full price or 10K-over asking offers didn't always cut the mustard, especially if there were four of them on the table. We'd suggest to our buyers to make it personal: to go for the Lifetime moment. To show up in person at the bidding table holding the hands of their adorable children; to pen missives such as: "The minute I crossed the threshold of your beautiful home, I knew this was the one. Your home is just like my grandmother's. She died last week." (This is where you well up, OK?) "But she would have loved to see me buy a house just like yours. Here's $500,000 for your home assessed at $350,000, please take it, oh please, I'll do anything."

Houses of all kinds, in any shape at all, were selling instantly, even "psychologically impacted homes." I'll never forget one horrid slab ranch where there'd been a murder. The listing broker hadn't even bothered to remove the police tape from around the house before offers began pouring in. In total, five bids rolled in on the home, each at least 5K over asking, with the winning bid striking the mortgage as well as the inspection contingencies. I heard the sellers threw in the ghost as well.

By 2002 my office was brimming with new, fresh-faced agents from every walk of life: software engineers, teachers, retail store owners, landscape architects, all manner of escapees from the corporate world, ready to learn on the fly and cash those commission checks as fast as possible. More seasoned agents cast them flinty glances as if to say: "Have you ever heard of a real estate cycle? Sure we're flyin' high, but strap on those seat belts, kids, this roller coaster is going down."

But no one was paying attention then. We relative newbies thought this was just the way things were. Wake up, work, crash, repeat. There were lavish Christmas parties, over-the-top award ceremonies deifying top producers who were making truly crazy money, new cars in the lot, fresh duds on our backs, and no one really felt the sting of the check on all those dinners out. Let's put it this way: The bon temps roo-layed. We had 10 phone lines, and at times they were all ringing at once.

Did we make money? Yes. Did we work for it? Yes. I worked seven days a week for months at a time. I lost 10 pounds, lived on PowerBars, filled my gas tank two, three, four times a week. I answered my phone in the bathroom, at weddings, funerals, my birthday surprise party, while eating my PowerBar, even at a wake. I worked on holidays, weekends, many times up at 6 and dropping by midnight. Once I lost a bid for my buyer clients, let's call them the Smiths, because I had slipped home at noon to take a shower, having had no time in the morning because of a painfully early home inspection. I left the phone outside the shower stall, but I guess I never heard it. An hour later I saw the call, called them back and found them furious: Their dream home had come on the market, they were standing in the open house, and where was I? Showering? By the time I got there, breathless and wet-haired, the owners had already signed another offer, $18,000 over asking. Mrs. Smith wept, Mr. Smith cursed, then fired me. I felt sick. The guilt was actually worse than the lost commission. Their American dream shattered by me.

Predatory loans? We thought they were just "creative," a term not at all pejorative back then. I don't even think the term "predatory loan" existed until it was time to lay down some serious blame, as in 2007 and on. In any case, I had some lower-income clients who were part of this collective insanity. That is, everyone had drunk the same Kool-Aid, so they wanted a house as badly as everyone else. I actually rooted for them to get a loan, any kind of loan, to get them into the house they wanted. They had a 3-year-old daughter and one on the way, and both worked two jobs while trying to learn English, which they were picking up with astounding speed. We aggressively house-hunted, bid and got the house, and they were ecstatic and very grateful to me, even though the house, at just over 850 square feet, could barely contain them. There were tears and hugs at the closing, where my phone rang and rang and screamed some more.

So yes, back then it was a piece of cake to pay my bills and put something away, but my hair was falling out, I was so stressed. I was not a great partner to my husband. Most of my friends had given up on seeing me. Even my cats didn't recognize me when I dragged myself home at night.


My office is filled with empty cubicles; phones are answered on the first ring. Papers flutter about on empty desks. Of course the economy is terrible, but something more is going on. It's eerie. Even the top brokers are sleeping late, reading more, and wondering what the hell to do. Award ceremonies have been canceled. Holiday parties are ancient history. Just as for everyone else, the future is impossible to predict because the combination of elements in play is unique.


In the wee hours, the faces of my clients parade before my eyes. Sleepless, I get up and see what their home is worth now; pray that they still have their jobs. Then I Google "best paying jobs of the future" and read: dental hygienist, database administrator, systems analyst. I have a good cry and go back to bed.

I've checked in on my lower-income clients and thankfully they've both kept their jobs, but their home would be a short sale if we had to put it on the market now. They told me they've made ends meet by inviting a relative up from New York to stay and pay some rent by living in their already crowded home. I can't imagine which room they're putting him in.

The Smiths: They'd hired another agent to come to their rescue after I took that fateful shower, and had had no problem overbidding on another home. Now their home is one of the dozens of foreclosures in town. Days on market: 342. Price changes: five and counting. Just the other day I read that Mr. Smith's company was slicing employees like cheese from a giant wheel.

What am I doing now? I take depressing classes on the labyrinthine procedure of conducting short sales, orchestrate foreclosures, show buyers countless homes before they confess they'd like to "maybe wait a year or two," watch sellers break into tears as they sign a listing contract. Try to figure out how to market myself via social networking, which gags me, but what can you do? Lord knows, I live to Facebook, Twitter, tweet, blog, gather, LinkIn, YouTube, Gawk, Boing Boing, friend, Rain Actively, Digg, Xanga, Squidoo, Top Produce, and MySpace my way into the hearts of my buyers and sellers.

My phone has been, for all intents and purposes, silent for weeks now. I keep checking to make sure it's on. Sometimes I'll make a few calls just to use up those minutes I've already paid for. Today I ran into an agent from my office in our local drugstore whom I hadn't seen for months. She told me she'd gotten a job at American Girl. She'd been a full-time real estate agent for 26 years. I asked her how she liked retail. "I love it," she said unconvincingly. "People are so happy when they're buying dolls."

Another real estate friend has gone back to doing trade shows for medical products.

A downtown agent got a job in a fancy French restaurant where he hasn't worked since college ("when the aprons fit";). Now he says he's one of those waiters standing in the corner staring out the window waiting for customers, the ones he felt sorry for walking by the restaurant on his way to show houses in 2004.

Other friends complain about getting pink slips. At least they're getting a pink slip. (Unemployment, anyone? Maybe even COBRA? A pipe dream for us commission-based folks.) There's something a tad respectful about a pink slip. It says: You had a job, now you don't anymore. As opposed to crushing silence and empty in boxes, which mean, I guess it sure looks like/isn't this a dead ringer for/heads up: you don't have a job anymore.


Last week, my phone actually rang. I nearly had a heart attack. It was a real live potential seller. A neighbor from down the street with a horse property -- not the most common thing in my hood but there are a few. She said that, "among others," she would be interviewing me, a few high-end brokers from neighboring offices, and three horse property specialists. Can we say "disincentivized by the competition"?

I tried to rally. How can I get around the fact that I've never sold a horse property? I suppose I could show up in jodhpurs, compliment the seller on her tack barn ("Great saddle choice! I love this kind, don't you? You know ... leather";), put hay in my hair. Whatever it takes to get the job. After all, my last paycheck was in October. Holy deeded manure pile!

Desperation has become a familiar face; at times it even stares back at me in the mirror in the morning. But I don't think I'm alone. As the orchestra plays, sliding down with all of us on the tilting deck of the Titanic, I can see it now: my fellow real estate agents and I wishing each other well as we call out, "Hey, see you at American Girl!" or, "I hear Orange Julius is hiring. You go, girl!"



pratickm   
Member since: Feb 04
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Location: Toronto

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 13-04-09 11:33:13

Quote:
Originally posted by ILOVENA
Agreed, the world economy is doing badly, the stock market tumbled like never before (except during the great depression), jobs were lost by the thousands everywhere. However there has to be a bottom, and things have to start looking up... that is one of the laws of nature. It can't be bad forever.

True, however, there have been instances in recent history where the bad times have consumed an entire generation or more.
The Great Depression is an example.
An entire generation can lose its productive potential because of such "depressions".
Eventually, things might get better and the capitalist machinery starts churning again, but it might be too late for some.
The lost decade of Japan is another example.


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investpro   
Member since: Nov 06
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 13-04-09 22:56:46

Hi PratickM,
It's the lost score of years now for Japan.

I wasn't around in the 90s in NA- was around in the 80's when times were tough during and before Raygun's days, but man, I do not see tombstones in people's eyes like I used to then, not as yet. Maybe in a few months- who knows.





rahul_singh23   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 14-04-09 14:15:36

The real estate industry wants you to believe you can't time the real estate market. You can. It's incredibly easy and they give you all the information you need to do it.

Here's the most important thing you need to know about real estate: it repeats itself. If you've been talking to anyone involved in the business, you've no doubt heard "This city real estate always goes up" or "This city real estate doubles every ten years" or "it's time in the market not timing the market."

All three statements take advantage of an ethical gray area the real estate industry continues to exploit. None of them are really true but neither are any of those statements outright lies.

Here's where we are today:

The low-end of the market, the so-called entry level condos and SFHs have not yet begun their correction (they're still in a seller's market with low supply)

We have more supply on the market today than we've seen in almost ten years (dominated by high-priced properties $600K and above)

We have less sales in the market than we've seen in almost ten years

We have a three month price trend that is clearly down

The top end of the market is about 20% off peak prices (waterfront and million dollar plus properties)
The new condo market is murky, but we can see that they are also off at least 20% from previously over-inflated asking prices

We are one year into a potential six- or seven-year correction (despite the calls from industry insiders telling us we'll return to price increases in 2010, that would ignore fact 3 above)

"Given that interest rates it's a right time to buy" is nothing but just light subprime.

Of course, past performance doesn't guarantee future performance. But it guarantee near future at least, that this correction will be exactly like the past corrections, or maybe a bit worse.

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This is called ‘marketing’, not news. Two executives from one of the country’s biggest mortgage lenders. Toronto’s condo king, in the middle of flogging a new project. And the heads of Century 21 and Royal LePage. Granted, they are all trying to pump and pimp the market – that’s their job – but the really distressing part is how it will be reported as “expert” opinion on a commodity being sold to naive first-time buyers.



sville   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 14-04-09 19:52:21

The king Has Spoken!



dudewheresmycar   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 15-04-09 01:19:27



The RE market has far from rebounded..

Stock market rebound is a leading indicator for economy 6-10 months ahead of time..
It also indicates fear has driven down the market too low..

1> More and more people are losing their jobs..
Rogers has been laying off 100 ppl every month..
Last week IT contractor rates were cut by 10%.

2> GM and Chryslar will be filing for Controlled banckrupy..
This will reasult in more job loses..

3> Current sale is mostly due to low interest rates and ppl who think they will not lose jobs in this economy..
This well will dry up soon..

The interest rates could go down another 1/2 point.

Unitl job market starts rebounding RE will not go up..

All in all there will be more deals in the next 6 months to be made..




rahul_singh23   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 15-04-09 15:53:37

Petro-Canada begins layoffs of 200 relating to oilsands project.

http://www.calgaryherald.com/Petro+Canada+begins+layoffs+relating+Fort+Hills+oilsands+project/1499194/story.html

Unemployment is a bigger reason for missed mortgage payments than high interest rates, according to a study from the Boston Federal Reserve that raises questions about President Obama's plan to stem foreclosures by modifying loans.

Borrowers are more likely to default on their payments because they have lost their jobs or because the price of their homes has plummeted than because of tough terms on their mortgages, the study found.

http://seekingalpha.com/article/130770-it-s-lost-jobs-not-mortgage-payments?ref=patrick.net




Quote:
Originally posted by dudewheresmycar

Unitl job market starts rebounding RE will not go up..

All in all there will be more deals in the next 6 months to be made..






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