I don't have any links but if you really want to know, most of the topics do end with the argument about canada against India, you can look for specific ones.

read 'Duncan's' posts, in most of his posts on the above mentioned arguments he has said 'if you don't like canada, why are you here?' 'nobody has invited you here' or 'canadian govt. didn't come to you, you came to this country' & it all implies to me ,'you came here so u've to like it at least when you are in 'canadiandesi.ca'.

One post from RahulSingh he directly asked ppl, I'm sure sarcastically, that if he can know the timeline when all of them are leaving. But he ended the post saying stuff about US Vs. Canada.

People have millions of reasons to go back- they can be bored of this life, they can have better life in India, they have family to look after in India, they might have seen better opportunities in India, they don't want their kids to grow here (on this I really don't want to argue if they grow better here or in India) or they just want to retire & go home.

Let's give freedom to everyone to make their own decisions, after all we are in a country where freedom means a lot.

__________________________________________________________

Well done. Good discussion going on and in more mature way.....

I see many people in this forum had came from US. They don't realise/see the problems faced by people who came from desi-land (atleast some of their north american education/experience counts here).

Somebody had made a comment good job = Happy in Canada. It is so true, as without job, how can somebody be happy.

Also, somebody had made a comment, how CD's get time to write on this site when they are not well settled. So, you can think very few people are well settled and most of them had to struggle a lot.

The point is we need to tell people (who want to come here) that there is lot of struggle here. Canadian govt. web site gives rosy picture and most of the people in desi-land believe that everything is very good here.

I have nothing against Canada and I like this country for many-many reasons but I like India too very much. I had also struggled a lot in this country (like other immigrants). I am now trying to settle down (but still a long way to go) with reasonable job in my field, ofcourse at much lower position (I am not in IT). But I don't recommend my friends to come here, if they are doing even reasonable in there own country.

Hello, My fellow members are posted article on why 'people who are returning back to India' are ridiculed on this forum and I am fortunate to read the same. I have been seeing in this forum many CD members are grumbling about Canada immigration, living in Canada, Jobs, culture, values and so on …..At the final, thinking to leave Canada or encouraging to leave Canada.

First of all, why are we immigrating to other Countries? What is not available in India? What are the primary and secondary reasons that tempted us to immigrate to Canada? List all our primary and secondary reasons and who assured us that we would get all those comforts when we land in Canada.

Did we do any ground work before immigrating to Canada to explore the reality of day - to- day living, culture, values, job market, etc……after we land in our dream country?

Every year, Canada receives thousands skilled worker category immigrants from all over the world. Do we fully prepare our skill set to the international level or North American standards to demonstrate to the hiring manager and to compete with other national skilled workers after being hired?

When we were in our back home, we are not fully aware of the western world life style, culture, job market and the ground reality. Is this whose miscalculation Government of Canada or Government of India or Our Neighbour or Our Immigration Consultant? If we are aware, we will not blaming our immigration or our landed Country.

Coming to Canada as an immigrant is an exciting opportunity, but also a great challenge. Did we read this on cic.gc.ca website before we apply? If so will we be blaming our immigration and immigrated country.

North America requires human settlement from other countries due to various reasons including vast land availability and cheap labour requirements. Canada attracts skilled people from other countries through direct immigration by issuing immigrant visas right at our door step not with work visas like United States. The United States attracts skilled people (mostly software engineers) through H1B work visa due to demanding labour market. U.S also receives others aspirants through a green card lottery program but the number of applicants are limited to 50,000 per annum.

Canada has 33 Million populations and the job opportunities are limited to the country economy. If Canada has more job opportunities that available to the international skilled workers, then the intake route will be through work permit and not through permanent residency.

There is no point in blaming our immigration or our immigrated country……...or going back to India.

Not every skilled immigrant could be a successful landed immigrant due to various reasons. If a fellow desi is returning to back home or back to India, need not to be criticized or viewed as a loser, they made an attempt and they are not happy with the results when they compared to their previous lifestyle that they lived, so they are going back, as a respectable approach, those who are living in Canada should not ask time line for those who are retuning to India……. I do not want hurt any one by making this statement including those who are living in Canada or those who are leaving Canada. Living and leaving is of course personal. Let us respect the same.


India is doing well in many fronts I wish they could succeed in their future endeavours.

Best Regards

Mag Canada

-----------------------------------------------------------------
mag

I agree with Magcanada.
Be happy what you do or decide that is beauty of democracy till you don’t create problem for others or don’t break law of that country.

I think its great that one can look at both sides and decide whether economically it is a good decision to move to another country.

I can only speak for myself, but I tend to get defensive..when people make judgemental comments on the culture/values/youth culture etc. of North America. Comments that insinuate North americans are immoral, loose etc.

-----------------------------------------------------------------
~ Morning rain

i think a lott of people are makin a lottt of sense here. (lana, for one stands out to me)

i suppose i dont have too much of a right to comment on the situation here, as i probably am not as familiar with a lot of things that everyone else may have gone thru. (i have been here for around 18 months, and dont even have PR)

but i would certainly like to add a few things to whats already been said.
what a lot of people here are sayin is certainly true... people should have a right to decide what they want to do, and not be looked down upon, criticised, etc. if they choose to go back. the reasons can be many.
everyone's situation is unique, and thay all have their own reaosns.

as noted by others, i totally agree with the fact that a lot of it can be attributed to the way the canadian gov "seduces" the immigrants.

but then again, just as u cant (and shouldn't) stop a stripper from flashing her wares, u cant (and shouldn't) stop anyone else from marketing what they want to (and maybe need to) sell.
its upto us, to make the choices that we make (informed ones, as they are called ?).

someone raised a question of what have the poeple who are here in canada now done for india ?
how have they paid india back for all that they have "sucked up" from the motherland. the education, the facilities, etc (i suppose the list should include subsidised kerosene and LPG too).
it is a very good question.
it would be interesting to get some views on that....

all in all, all i would say is that every side has its pros and cons, and depending on the individual-specific situation and factors, the same decision (to go back), by one person maybe right and by another person wrong.

the main thing is to enjoy what u are doin, and be happy (this again doesnt mean that u should accept whatever u have and blame ur condition on fate, destiny, bejan daruwala, etc.).

have a nice weekend and enjoy the

am off to the LCBO..............................

-----------------------------------------------------------------
I want the cultures of all the lands to be blown about my house as freely as possible.
But I refuse to be blown off my feet by any.

People who say India has "oh so high moral standards", "kind people", "culture" and North Americans have none. Well, first off, please, do us a favour and go back to your amazing India. Don't sit here and bitch and moan about stuff.

I don't know about anyone else, but I guess the India I have witnessed throughout my life and the India you guys talk about are 2 completely different places.

The one I see is corrupt, filled with hypocrites and is basically a "Police Raj."

It is disgusting to know that India leads all other nations when it comes to police custodial deaths. Or what about cops beating up couples in parks? Or, a fine of Rs. 500 in Delhi for kissing. Oh my God, 2 people kissing, ooooh, the ultimate sin, lets beat the crap out of the couple.

For your perusal:
http://www.nri-worldwide.com/cgi-local/ts.pl?action=fetch&area=corruptionofindia

Don't forget to read the "Happens only in India", "Shame of India" and other wonderful sections.


And what about the amazing schooling system where corporal punishment is rampant.

I remember having to stay in India for 2 years with my parents when my dad was selected for a research exchange program. I swear, those teachers. I hate those Indian teachers with all my heart.

Am I bitter? You bet.

I am not saying "all" of India is bad, or everything about it is bad. But given the choice of India, where I am linked to by heritage and Canada, where I am linked to by nothing more then their willingness to allow people to come and settle here. I'll choose Canada hands down.


Actually, I'll choose USA and their more market capitalism than Canada's pseudo-socialism.