Arvind Kejriwal slapped again while campaigning in Delhi....
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Posted on: 08-05-14 01:21:58
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Originally posted by Fido
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Originally posted by BlueLobster
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Originally posted by Fido
Needless to mention it is 100 times easier to become a politician and a leader than to become an IITian and an IRS and then a politician ... Any body can become a politician but to become an IITian is restricted to a minuscule brilliant people ...
Totally agree .
It is most difficult to leave high paying, well reputed IT commissioner job and do a social work when you are from a middle class family. He has done thing years back before even getting into politics. This shows that he has intention to work for people and not to earn money. He is not greedy and corrupt. I will again say that it is too short of period to decide AK and AAP capabilities in 49 days. We have been giving time to other political parties from more than 60 years and result in front of everyone.
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DELHI INDIAN
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Originally posted by Fido
So you wish to state that those who graduate from IIT are not brilliant .... Look around and you may not find the world supporting your statement .... IIT is a brand name for brilliance ....and any body who enters and passes it is a brilliant person .... I do not know on what grounds you disagree with that ...
IRS is one of the leading Administrative Services in India where even brilliant IIT ians some times do not qualify as the Civil Services Board scans the candidates not only on their academics but their Administrative abilities ... I wonder what makes you think of the contrary ...
Needless to mention it is 100 times easier to become a politician and a leader than to become an IITian and an IRS and then a politician ... Any body can become a politician but to become an IITian is restricted to a minuscule brilliant people ...
Graduating from an IIT is no guarantee of brilliance. Thinking that just because someone graduated from an IIT automatically makes him/her brilliant and competent for everything is a folly. But it would explain the difference in perception we have.
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His quitting can be seen as a sacrifice for not being able to get the Lokpal Bill passed ..... or a strategy to grow bigger and hence play more important role in the country's politics ... hence a step back to run a long race .....
People from congress also feel that Rahul Gandhi sacrificed his princely life to enter politics and help the country. What Kejriwal did is make a political gamble. Just like the gamble he took when he aligned with Congress to make the government, I guess that was a sacrifice as well. To make it more laughable, he had taken some prior oath upon his kids not to do that.
That makes him politically manipulative rather than someone who "sacrificed".
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But even in those few weeks of governance he was able to set standards for Governments and Politicians with Delhi Municipality and its governance going corruption free and other State CM s ( BJP s MP CM) emulating him ....
He delivered no real change. The notion that the Delhi administration suddenly went corruption free when he was in charge is simply not true. The bribe giving/taking business in Delhi is as alive today as it was before him. And people in politics emulate whatever is the flavor of the month is. Given enough time, Kejriwal will do that too.
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He is an educated , competent , well intending leader ( and a party ) and shows what the the Government should be like ..... And that is the reason why so many people are joining and supporting AAP whole heartedly in such a small time frame.
He showed his incompetence by the way he quit the mandate that was given to him and that he took. My way or the highway is not what people put him up there to do. He did it anyways and then later himself admitted that the way he did it was a mistake. That is incompetence.
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Unlike other parties who wish to exploit the religious sentiment for their gains making and demonstrating religion as their biggest agenda .
AAP is no exception. Remember Shazia Ilimi? She's still an APP member. There is documented proof and again Kejriwal showed his incompetence by doing nothing about it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1IXfm6Cde8
Others do it too, but Kejriwal purports to hold himself to a higher bar.
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Originally posted by febpreet
Certainly not my definition of competence. Even if we assume what you're implying that going to IIT somehow automatically means you're brilliant (which I don't think is true),
Tell me you were not serious while typing this, were you?
This is the funniest (and absurd at the same time) statement I have heard in my life so far.
You're on a right track, bud.
Very serious. Simply rolling out of an IIT (or any university for that matter) is no measure of brilliance. It does depend however on where you set the personal bar for brilliance. Who you consider brilliant may be average in my view.
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If you perceive that IIT ians and IAS / IRS Officers are not brilliant , I have nothing to say as these are the hardest & proven tests in India to be cracked and have proved their worth historically . .... I don't know if you are fully aware of the prestige and power Civil Services Commissioners enjoy in our country and to leave all that and come to politics is a gamble taken by a minuscule few ..
The same goes for IIT graduates also .. Based on their proven competence and worth they get very high profile jobs and do not bother to come down to politics.
Please correct your knowledge ..AAP never had a clear mandate in Delhi .. Had it been so , Lokpal Bill would have passed . And AK had said that he would relinquish the CM s chair a thousand times if Lokpal was not passed ....
There s a world of difference b/w Rahul Gandhi & Arvind Kejariwal and you are mistaken if you compare the two.
You perhaps did not read my OR statement ... please do so now......
Yes corruption in Delhi was alive and is now also but during the tenure of AAP Govt. it had gone down drastically with the starting of anti corruption lines and as experienced by people in real life and also reported by people here in forum based on second hand experience .I think your statements are based on assumptions and not facts ..... All the previous Govts criticized and pointed out Delhi Police's high handedness and corruption but it took AK to stage a dharna and sleep on the open road on a cold winter night to make them compromise ...... Whereas other Govts talked about corruption , he opened anti corruption lines and public meetings to show the ways in which corruption could be handled .... and like I said other politicians started copying him since he raised the bar.
He is a guy who has stellar credentials , is highly educated & competent and shows the people that the ills of the country can be ridden of , if their is correct intent of the Government. The only thing they lack is experience and if they continue correctly ... the country can have a reversal of future for the better.
Shazia Ilmi's statements was condemned by AK as much as Amit Shah's or Togadia's by NM ... These were political condemnation but if you look at look at Narendra Modi's track record ..... what others say communally , he has executed it to the fullest and every one knows that ....
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Fido.
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Originally posted by BlueLobster
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Originally posted by febpreet
Certainly not my definition of competence. Even if we assume what you're implying that going to IIT somehow automatically means you're brilliant (which I don't think is true),
Tell me you were not serious while typing this, were you?
This is the funniest (and absurd at the same time) statement I have heard in my life so far.
You're on a right track, bud.
Very serious. Simply rolling out of an IIT (or any university for that matter) is no measure of brilliance. It does depend however on where you set the personal bar for brilliance. Who you consider brilliant may be average in my view.
What ?..................... Do you understand the meaning of the word competition & its correlation to brilliance ??
Universities are rated by the calibre and brilliance they intake & produce .... And that's how they maintain their reputation........ That s why out of the hordes that apply for IIT only the top ones succeed to get through ..... Same is the case with IAS examinations...... Both of these institutions are proven standards of brilliance.
To say that those who graduate from IIT or clear IAS examination are not brilliant is a serious lack of awareness or may be as you said a vastly different perception.
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Fido.
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Originally posted by DELHI INDIAN
It is most difficult to leave high paying, well reputed IT commissioner job and do a social work when you are from a middle class family. He has done thing years back before even getting into politics. This shows that he has intention to work for people and not to earn money. He is not greedy and corrupt. I will again say that it is too short of period to decide AK and AAP capabilities in 49 days. We have been giving time to other political parties from more than 60 years and result in front of everyone.
Correct.... How can you rate some thing without even giving it a chance ...
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Fido.
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Originally posted by Fido
To say that those who graduate from IIT or clear IAS examination are not brilliant is a serious lack of awareness or may be as you said a vastly different perception.
Actually, equating the statement "Simply rolling out of an IIT (or any university for that matter) is no measure of brilliance" to what you said "those who graduate from IIT or clear IAS examination are not brilliant" is a serious lack of comprehension. See if you can figure out the difference between the two.
What you're claiming is that people who clear IIT or IAS are brilliant and competent. This is easily disprovable by facts - there are dozens of examples of both who are have been proven corrupt /criminal in a court of law or shown incompetence and lack of rational thinking. I assume you know how to use a search engine so you can search yourself. So yes, as shocking as it may sound, someone who rolls out of IIT or IAS is not automatically brilliant nor competent.
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