Obama to sign bill that raises H-1B visa fee today
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Originally posted by KumarM
How many American IT workers go extra mile? Very few. By 5.00 pm they are out.
Not sure about others but I have seen many rather all of my american colleagues always working beyond regular hours as needed and no one was getting any kind of additional benfits for that (not even pizza). Sometimes they did not hesitate to work 48-50 hours at a stretch during energencies. The quality and enthu of the work was/is far superior than the 2-3 heads working in India for the same amount of time. Not suggesting that there is no quality work by Indian counterparts but need to point out false pereception about American workers. They get max of 3-5% raise that too every alternate year whereas Indian counterparts search for another firm if the raise is below 20%. It obiviously apparent that the rate is at least 5 times cheaper and naturally Indian workers are preferred but that does not mean Americans are not hardworking.
Very soon rather it is already happenning that Vietnamese, Phillipinos, chinese and many other South American countries are preferred over India. So need to be careful about calling American non hardworking and not ready to work beyond 5:00 PM.
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Originally posted by KumarM
How many American IT workers go extra mile? Very few. By 5.00 pm they are out.
What's wrong with this?
Efficiency is what maters. At the end of the day, as long as work flow is maintained - why should not one leave @ 5?
And this could be good revenue generating policy - where is Non-residents are Taxed. Obama is not in chair to please out siders.
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Originally posted by Maharaj
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Originally posted by KumarM
How many American IT workers go extra mile? Very few. By 5.00 pm they are out.
What's wrong with this?
Efficiency is what maters. At the end of the day, as long as work flow is maintained - why should not one leave @ 5?
And this could be good revenue generating policy - where is Non-residents are Taxed. Obama is not in chair to please out siders.
Kya patey ki baat keh di. I believe 8 hours are more than sufficient to complete the given work. Worked in IT my entire life, and never stayed beyond 4 PM, except when given overtime wages. Heard about CIBC's overtime class action lawsuit?
Anyway, back to H1B. I fully agree with you that Obama, as a head of state should first think about the welfare of his people, not the ones who are sitting far off and thousands of miles away. Why should he? It's the right choice he made, and I don't think it will make any difference to the Indian IT firms who are already making millions. Just an initial hugh and cry and will be settled down two months down the road.
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Posted on: 16-08-10 08:55:56
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Originally posted by KumarM
How many American IT workers go extra mile? Very few. By 5.00 pm they are out. IT consulting work is not like a govt job.
I am afraid that's a false perception. Staying long hours doesn't necessarily translate to working long hours. I've seen americans putting in the needed hours to get the work done. Also, let's not forget the hours they lot of times put in from home to cater to overseas conference calls and such.
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Originally posted by KumarM
As I understand, the increase is for both H1B and L visas. OTOH, the visas are valid for couple of years. Any company can recover the cost ($2k) quickly. An increase of abt Rs. 95k is not a big deal for Indian IT firms.
How many American IT workers go extra mile? Very few. By 5.00 pm they are out. IT consulting work is not like a govt job. Health ins coverage is another big expense for the American employer. Look at the call centres in India. Rs. 20k pm + some benefits such as transportation and food. That is much cheaper compared to $2k (at least) + health ins+benefits to American workers. In the end it all comes down to money. How much profit and cost saving is done.
That is true. Money and Competition drives everything. If not then why we buy Chinese goods.
Don't u think that when we buy something in Walmart, we become part of those biggies who exploit labour in China. Think twice how responsible we are to make that all happen.
LOL. If American workers stay long hours, would that increase the productivity? I have worked with Americans for more than five years, in south, midwest, and west. I have first hand experience working with them. Spending more time in the office has nothing to do with the productivity. Browsing net, shopping online, emailing friends/relatives, playing bridge on the pc, long lunches/coffee breaks, going thru personal papers, etc don’t count as productivity for the employer. I am not generalizing, but I have seen enough. I have seen the bloated ego and arrogance of Americans during the IT bubble.
For example, how many of them will take a pay cut, say from $80k to $60k? (please don’t tell me that you know someone who took a pay cut). Their life is so bloody set, any change cant be digested. Why so many American IT workers are out of work in US? So many H1B and L visa holders are working in US. Ultimately it’s the bottom line for the American firms. Indian cos will recover that extra cost for the visa in no time. Just to make sure that US hears them, to take them seriously, not to be a timid follower in case something major comes in the future.
Nothing changes, may be more work could be outsourced as the US economy is unable to pick up.
Location: Western Hemisphere
Posted on: 16-08-10 13:06:08
If Indian workers stay long hours, would that necessarily increase productivity? Nope. It all comes down to how smart the individual works to get the job done, regardless of their nationality.
I think you (kumarM) and web2000 have brought out the painful truth that cheap labor is the motivation. And I would have to agree. As I said before, its not the Indian employee's skills or intelligence, rather it is the cheap labor (plus exploitation in certain cases) that has been the attraction for the employer.
Also Indian workers are fully capable and do indulge in personal emails, facebook, online shopping, etc while at work (CD included).
As far as pay cut goes, I am not in the IT field, but I've seen very many American workers and others who were affected due to layoffs that have taken good amount of pay cut and working at places such as Chrysler.
One of the harsh reality is Indian IT "consulting" firms in the US discriminate against US citizens and exploit the Indians...a good win-win situation...for the employer 
Meanwhile, good companies such as Google, Oracle and Microsoft do pay all their employees comparable and competitive wages...wages that are not exploitive.
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