Posted on: 28-04-09 22:14:39
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Originally posted by tamilkuravan
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Originally posted by Maharaj
I am not sure what OP wants to convey
As you stated below
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In Canada, when HR talks about hiring Immigrants ... they basically are looking at totally unknown.
So in conclusion : for 99% of the immigrants immigrating to Canada, it is impssoible to get jobs as you will be without Canadian experience and be without networking skills. you will start from the lowest skills ($10-$12 an hour) and then slog to move up and your reach to your position that you were entitled to when immigrating may come only after a min. of 1-5 years as the case may be..
For people in IT and Finance the situation is vastly different (that they will get it very soon) and for people in construction (and fields that are regulated) it is be very difficult to get a job.
Peace by TK
100% immigrants will not have canadian experience. Exception - Intrnational students. They will have some experience in survival jobs.
Do you mean all new immigrants start with $12 jobs?
Do you mean only 1% immigrant are in IT and accounting?
99% new immigrants are Doctors, engineers, technicians?
My impression is this:
1) Mejority of newcomers will have to slog for few years wherever they are.... It is not applicable to canada alone.
2) New immigrants end up doing 12 dollar jobs just for their survival only. Any body goes for survival jobs for networking? I seriously doubt it.
3) Who said the people in regulated profession will not get jobs? You mean an Engineer after getting PEng only get job? To be called as a Professinal engineer, an internationally qualified engineer will have to work under a PEng. He has to be in job to qualify for PEng.
4) I agree with you in case of Doctors as they will not be able to practice medicine unlike engineers and technicians.
My experience and conclusion:
1) Don't do $12 jobs unless it is necessary for survival.
2) Choose right jobs and make quality resume for the advertised position.
3) The positions which are not advertised may be easier to get, but i doubt again any one will refer you for that position. And also the reference must be a "strong" referal for a professional job.
4)Not all jobs require Professional qualification ( Like P Eng ), lots of jobs just requires qualification and experience in the relevant field.
5) Attend job fair. You will come to know various companies and employers.
5) Government assisted Human resource centres will help in quality resumes, interview techniques, communication skills etc.
6) If skills are matching then chances are high for interview calls.
7) There is a big problem with recruiters, Most of them are not qualified in your field, so you can imagine how they will evaluate your Resume !!
If you feel you have required skills, call the recruiter and have discussions. It helps.
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Originally posted by tamilkuravan
Quote:
Originally posted by Maharaj
I am not sure what OP wants to convey
As you stated below
Quote:
In Canada, when HR talks about hiring Immigrants ... they basically are looking at totally unknown.
So in conclusion : for 99% of the immigrants immigrating to Canada, it is impssoible to get jobs as you will be without Canadian experience and be without networking skills. you will start from the lowest skills ($10-$12 an hour) and then slog to move up and your reach to your position that you were entitled to when immigrating may come only after a min. of 1-5 years as the case may be..
For people in IT and Finance the situation is vastly different (that they will get it very soon) and for people in construction (and fields that are regulated) it is be very difficult to get a job.
Peace by TK
100% immigrants will not have canadian experience. Exception - Intrnational students. They will have some experience in survival jobs.
Do you mean all new immigrants start with $12 jobs?
Do you mean only 1% immigrant are in IT and accounting?
99% new immigrants are Doctors, engineers, technicians?
My impression is this:
1) Mejority of newcomers will have to slog for few years wherever they are.... It is not applicable to canada alone.
2) New immigrants end up doing 12 dollar jobs just for their survival only. Any body goes for survival jobs for networking? I seriously doubt it.
3) Who said the people in regulated profession will not get jobs? You mean an Engineer after getting PEng only get job? To be called as a Professinal engineer, an internationally qualified engineer will have to work under a PEng. He has to be in job to qualify for PEng.
4) I agree with you in case of Doctors as they will not be able to practice medicine unlike engineers and technicians.
My experience and conclusion:
1) Don't do $12 jobs unless it is necessary for survival.
2) Choose right jobs and make quality resume for the advertised position.
3) The positions which are not advertised may be easier to get, but i doubt again any one will refer you for that position. And also the reference must be a "strong" referal for a professional job.
4)Not all jobs require Professional qualification ( Like P Eng ), lots of jobs just requires qualification and experience in the relevant field.
5) Attend job fair. You will come to know various companies and employers.
5) Government assisted Human resource centres will help in quality resumes, interview techniques, communication skills etc.
6) If skills are matching then chances are high for interview calls.
7) There is a big problem with recruiters, Most of them are not qualified in your field, so you can imagine how they will evaluate your Resume !!
If you feel you have required skills, call the recruiter and have discussions. It helps.
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Originally posted by tamilkuravan
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Originally posted by Maharaj
I am not sure what OP wants to convey
As you stated below
Quote:
In Canada, when HR talks about hiring Immigrants ... they basically are looking at totally unknown.
So in conclusion : for 99% of the immigrants immigrating to Canada, it is impssoible to get jobs as you will be without Canadian experience and be without networking skills. you will start from the lowest skills ($10-$12 an hour) and then slog to move up and your reach to your position that you were entitled to when immigrating may come only after a min. of 1-5 years as the case may be..
You didn't read completely. Read 5 Bullet items. I just reiterated the fact that you need to Network. You just can't ignore networking & say its MYTH.
Not all Imiigrant start @ 10/12. Some people work out of compulsion & some work out of choice.
PS: TK, you are at wrong place in wrong profession - you make perfect reporter for AajTak. Reading, what you wanna read and make sensational.
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Originally posted by NM
Quote:
Originally posted by tamilkuravan
Quote:
Originally posted by Maharaj
I am not sure what OP wants to convey
As you stated below
Quote:
In Canada, when HR talks about hiring Immigrants ... they basically are looking at totally unknown.
So in conclusion : for 99% of the immigrants immigrating to Canada, it is impssoible to get jobs as you will be without Canadian experience and be without networking skills. you will start from the lowest skills ($10-$12 an hour) and then slog to move up and your reach to your position that you were entitled to when immigrating may come only after a min. of 1-5 years as the case may be..
For people in IT and Finance the situation is vastly different (that they will get it very soon) and for people in construction (and fields that are regulated) it is be very difficult to get a job.
Peace by TK
100% immigrants will not have canadian experience. Exception - Intrnational students. They will have some experience in survival jobs.
Do you mean all new immigrants start with $12 jobs?
Do you mean only 1% immigrant are in IT and accounting?
99% new immigrants are Doctors, engineers, technicians?
My impression is this:
1) Mejority of newcomers will have to slog for few years wherever they are.... It is not applicable to canada alone.
2) New immigrants end up doing 12 dollar jobs just for their survival only. Any body goes for survival jobs for networking? I seriously doubt it.
3) Who said the people in regulated profession will not get jobs? You mean an Engineer after getting PEng only get job? To be called as a Professinal engineer, an internationally qualified engineer will have to work under a PEng. He has to be in job to qualify for PEng.
4) I agree with you in case of Doctors as they will not be able to practice medicine unlike engineers and technicians.
My experience and conclusion:
1) Don't do $12 jobs unless it is necessary for survival.
2) Choose right jobs and make quality resume for the advertised position.
3) The positions which are not advertised may be easier to get, but i doubt again any one will refer you for that position. And also the reference must be a "strong" referal for a professional job.
4)Not all jobs require Professional qualification ( Like P Eng ), lots of jobs just requires qualification and experience in the relevant field.
5) Attend job fair. You will come to know various companies and employers.
5) Government assisted Human resource centres will help in quality resumes, interview techniques, communication skills etc.
6) If skills are matching then chances are high for interview calls.
7) There is a big problem with recruiters, Most of them are not qualified in your field, so you can imagine how they will evaluate your Resume !!
If you feel you have required skills, call the recruiter and have discussions. It helps.
I do not agree with some of your points. Govt assisted agencies are scandalous. This is liberal gift (money grab) to their cronies. They just provide free telephone, computer with internet and free printing!. In return ,these agencies rent premises from people with connection which in turn is paid by Government and employ their relatives. I had a bitter experience at Sheppard & Consumer road HRDC when one bafoon was reviewing my resume. After 10 minutes it downed upon me that this bafoon does not know what CGA stands for or that it is professional designation!
These HRDC guys play with afew words, rearrange a few sentence and that is all. This we can do better at home by using help in MS word.
I am from accounting field and I strongly believe that the two best ways to get the job are through agencies or through reference.
My first accounting job was through reference and i progressed to #2 posittion in accounting over 3 years by upgrading and obtaining Canadian designation.
My experience with HR department at various companies has been very disapponting. I realized their working after I became Controller in my company which employed 700 people. These HR people are mostly stupid Canadians who have very low IQ. In Canada or for that matter elsewhere in the world, 95% of the people who prefer HR as career is not out of choice or love but because they are dumb. However, once they get in a big company, they act as barrier and decide which resume goes to hiring manager and they are the people who screen you at the first stage. Reality is that , if you want to get hired, you have to learn their language and understand their thought process. HR always look for soft skill. I do not know how can one judge soft skills within 20 minutes. Hence these guys go by your accent, dress, age and confidence that one displays.
After my becoming Controller , I recruited total 8 persons : 5 immigrants (1 Chinese, 1 Pakistani and 3 desi) by me and 3 thro HR. Those through HR were all disaster!. I had quite a lot conflict with HR but I convince my boss that accounting people recruited through HR were never good and then I was given free hand. Out of 5 immigrant, only 1 desi turned out to be bad apple. Though technically sound, he never got along with me due to intense jealousy (We knew each other from India) and he could not accept me being his boss. Fortunately, he left my company within 3 months as he got a better offer and I provided good reference. The rest 4 worked out very well and 3 are still working with the company though I have moved to a better job.
My Conclusion: In Canada you get good job only through reference and hence networking is the only thing which one should concentrate rather than wasting time with HR centres.
Juthani has described excellent way of networking for job elsewhere in this thread.
