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Jake3D.....in reply to your comparison of Shakespeare vs Ford, I have a question for you.
How hard would it be to live without theater for a month? How hard would it be to live without your car for a month? 
Also, all the names you mentioned were luminaries in their field. Leaders in any field make a difference.
In the world of artists and authors, the majority of pedestrian artists and authors do not make a difference. The average code monkey does...small, but still a contribution.
But, I feel we're fortunate to be in a country where the majority of the citizens have the luxury of debating such issues. Most people in third world countries cannot.
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Did you know that the web definition for the word "caliber" is also the diameter of a tube or gun barrel?
.An unrelated aside...did you notice that my spelling of the word is from the Bards english? You are using the American way. Just thought it was interesting because whenever I read it the American way it just 'feels' wrong. For a minute I thought all of you are spelling it wrongly.
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Jake3D.....in reply to your comparison of Shakespeare vs Ford, I have a question for you.
How hard would it be to live without theater for a month? How hard would it be to live without your car for a month?
The bards plays have been staged for almost 300 years now. Long before the motor car. As an aside-It has also influenced creative souls in literature, film and theatre etc ever since.
The past: Humanity has lived with Shakespears contribution for longer than Henry Fords.
The present: I dont know if you have been reading a long ranting thread between me and hemzer. I have mentioned that going forward human races survival may lie in living in walkable communities and smaller houses. Much like we did before the advent of the car. That is unless we find an alternative energy resource to the depleting one that we currently use. Its not an original thought.
Heres a link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTIMsbR1-s8
Watch the documentary...its a really good one.
The future: So yes I think Shakespears contribution and work may outlast that of Henry Fords.
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Also, all the names you mentioned were luminaries in their field. Leaders in any field make a difference. .
Exceptions in any field make a noticeable difference to society. Norms do not. The norms...nevertheless contribute.
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In the world of artists and authors, the majority of pedestrian artists and authors do not make a difference. The average code monkey does...small, but still a contribution..
Can you eloborate how a pedestrian artists/authors/social workers contribution is smaller than that of a code monkey? Your average journalist, writer, graphic designer contributes less you think? How do you come to that conclussion?
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But, I feel we're fortunate to be in a country where the majority of the citizens have the luxury of debating such issues. Most people in third world countries cannot.
I agree
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As Alexm says lumanaries in any discipline leave a mark .But it depends how much valuable that mark is for humanity . We can sure live w/o a Michelangelo or Bach or Beethoven for in your own words J3D , they are pastimes best enjoyed @ leisure .
But things that make you earn bread , make the society survive and develop , medicine , engineering to name a few are critical for humanity s survival.... so which skills are superior .....?? technical of course .
I have known ppl who have had great artistic ability , but have kept it aside as a hobby in favor of a more rewarding and contributing technical career .
Of course there s no denying the fact that theres a contribution by ppl in Humanities but what Alexm and I are trying to project is that that contribution is minuscule and doesnt make a critical difference to our lives ..... an interesting example would be any form of music which one of the biggest artiste composed v/s smthing technically invented such as emails / internet ............ can there be a debate about which is more beneficial.
Most of the subjects and courses that I have known have the following order of exclusiveness .... if you are a Science guy , you are eligible for Humanities and Commerce .... but if you are a Humanities students , it is assumed by selection criterion that your calliber is not good enough for sciences ..... it may not work for exceptions , but for the majority its a norm and hence a rule.....so which is more important ?
I do not think that this issue is at all debatable as why the OP has come as a surprise is because a technical person has proceeded on with her choice of Humanities ......... raising eyebrows .
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Fido.
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As Alexm says lumanaries in any discipline leave a mark .But it depends how much valuable that mark is for humanity . We can sure live w/o a Michelangelo or Bach or Beethoven for in your own words J3D , they are pastimes best enjoyed @ leisure .
The ones you mentioned have laid the foundations for those who design the clothes you wear, the logo imprint on your shirt, the design of your car or even the aesthetics of your workspace and the invention of speakers and sound technology. The technical and humanities together make our life what it is. To say that one can live without one is like saying the bridge is more important that the one who uses it.
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But things that make you earn bread , make the society survive and develop , medicine , engineering to name a few are critical for humanity s survival.... so which skills are superior .....?? technical of course .
Are you sure we do not need the journalists, musicians, film makers, writers, designers etc? What would the technology be used for? What would we be trading? Would it be shoes? would they all be black and of the same design? What about clothes...all white and black? Or if it were diamonds...would they all be of the same cut? Or if it was jewellery...all the same design? Would we then need such varied technology to cater to such a market? If it were music...would it all be the same song? Would everyone be selling writing and reading technical documents? Would we need marketing teams since the products are so similar? Would there be competition in the marketplace e.g: would the competition be about who makes the better black shoe? Would we be even buying and inventing stuff like plasma tvs and bose speakers if we were living in such a world?
Does not the humanities and their studies itself drive the need for new technologies? The application of technology to storytelling has resulted in computer graphics and animation. The application of technology to the need to communicate has resulted in altavista babel fish. The application of tech to the need to consume and find information(mostly nontechnical) and entertainment has given rise to google and youtube. Would we need any of this without the content providers? I could go on and on but I think you get the message.
So what is superior the need or the technology that caters to the need? I think both need to coexist as i have explained. However, the need is there before the technology. The technology makes the fulfilment of that need easier. However people were communicating and entertaining themselves before email and youtube. They were also indulging in pronography long before the internet
. The need for technology is a direct result of our need for to efficiently handle information(technical AND humanities), entertainment and communication. The need for technology is NOT a result of the need for technolgy itself. Quote:
I have known ppl who have had great artistic ability , but have kept it aside as a hobby in favor of a more rewarding and contributing technical career .
They have made their choice much like the lady in the op. The 'contributing' part is what we are debating.
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Of course there s no denying the fact that theres a contribution by ppl in Humanities but what Alexm and I are trying to project is that that contribution is minuscule and doesnt make a critical difference to our lives ..... an interesting example would be any form of music which one of the biggest artiste composed v/s smthing technically invented such as emails / internet ............ can there be a debate about which is more beneficial.
Now this does not really hold out especially if you go by a person I met today. He does not even know how to check his e-mail...however he was wearing some designer clothes
. To him, obviously the emails were expendable but the designer duds were not.Internet and technology has enhanced the way we live. So has the humanites...else we would all be living in that monochromatic world I described above without need for much of the technologies we see today.
e.g: How many technical mp3's have you listened to on your Ipod lately?
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Things in India are changing a lot.
India is accepting a lot of different professions apart from the regular doctor, engineer, CA, etc. These jobs are highly paid. A relative of mine has recently joined a FM radio station as radio jockey, a job which is highly paid and it is his first job.
You are no longer considered an outcaste if you have an unconventional talent. Funding is available for good business ideas.
As far as the reports about this IIM grad go, she is planning to do a job but in Bangalore only, get some corporate experience, which will help her in her future endeavour. She wants to pursue her love of music alongwith her job and gradually go the full way in the music field.
There is also a guy from IIM Ahmedabad, as far as I recollect, who was selling idlis while he was studying. He has started a catering service and using his management skills to establish and expand his business. Apparently, his mother in his village used to make and sell idlis to educate him when he was small.
Similarly, a guy from IIT or IIM from Baroda is pursuing his dream of having his own football team. He is coaching them, getting the funds required for training from sponsors, also initially again, I read, guess they were into selling what? Idlis again.
NGOs are flourishing in India and they are doing really good work. Many of these jobs are highly paid as well. The NGOs are funded by corporates, NRIs, local people with their own limited funds, etc.
Rgds.
Rajan.
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Posted on: 25-02-07 23:55:55
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Originally posted by alexm
How hard would it be to live without theater for a month? How hard would it be to live without your car for a month?
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Your questions are rhetorical but there are many people in Canada/US/Western countries that live without: Cars, Internet, computers (or minimal exposure to).
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