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Question about application for guarnantee suppliment income for parents




I sponsored my parents to come here in Canada on PR status in 2013. They are still on PR status and living with us. Normally they stay with us for 1 to 2 years and going back to India for one year and coming back again. They are dependable on us and they have no income.

Recently, I received letter from Service Canada for my father regarding to fill up (GSI) guarantee supplement income application for year 2018-2019 and 2019-2020.

If we submit the application for GIS,
Is the government can claim same amount from me to recover the guarantee supplement income which they pay to my father?
As I sponsored to them so do government going to charge me back same amount money on different way to me? (As we sponsored them)
Is GIS to nothing to do with sponsorship and completely different benefits for seniors?

Any reply would be greatly appreciated.


 
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Post ID: 238857 19-11-19 11:44:03
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EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE SPONSORED, THEY CAN APPLY. PL. SEE CONDITIONS.
This is an answer to one of the questions from STAR. Please read these answers and be guided by them. YES they can apply.

A: Your sponsorship undertaking came into force the moment they took up permanent resident status in Canada, not when you applied to sponsor them. When you signed the 10-year sponsorship undertaking you agreed that your parents would not benefit from social assistance in Canada during the sponsorship period. But Old Age Security is not a form of social assistance. So if your parents are otherwise eligible for Old Age Security, they can apply.

I am sure they will get some help. Please ask the M.P. and his office too.

Good Luck.


FH.
https://www.thestar.com/life/2009/05/23/sponsored_parents_can_get_old_age_security.html


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Originally posted by RBO

I sponsored my parents to come here in Canada on PR status in 2013. They are still on PR status and living with us. Normally they stay with us for 1 to 2 years and going back to India for one year and coming back again. They are dependable on us and they have no income.

Recently, I received letter from Service Canada for my father regarding to fill up (GSI) guarantee supplement income application for year 2018-2019 and 2019-2020.

If we submit the application for GIS,
Is the government can claim same amount from me to recover the guarantee supplement income which they pay to my father?
As I sponsored to them so do government going to charge me back same amount money on different way to me? (As we sponsored them)
Is GIS to nothing to do with sponsorship and completely different benefits for seniors?

Any reply would be greatly appreciated.





 
Post ID: 238858 19-11-19 13:11:33
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Originally posted by Full House

This is an answer to one of the questions from STAR. Please read these answers and be guided by them. YES they can apply.

A: Your sponsorship undertaking came into force the moment they took up permanent resident status in Canada, not when you applied to sponsor them. When you signed the 10-year sponsorship undertaking you agreed that your parents would not benefit from social assistance in Canada during the sponsorship period. But Old Age Security is not a form of social assistance. So if your parents are otherwise eligible for Old Age Security, they can apply.

I am sure they will get some help. Please ask the M.P. and his office too.

Good Luck.


FH.
https://www.thestar.com/life/2009/05/23/sponsored_parents_can_get_old_age_security.html


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Originally posted by RBO

I sponsored my parents to come here in Canada on PR status in 2013. They are still on PR status and living with us. Normally they stay with us for 1 to 2 years and going back to India for one year and coming back again. They are dependable on us and they have no income.

Recently, I received letter from Service Canada for my father regarding to fill up (GSI) guarantee supplement income application for year 2018-2019 and 2019-2020.

If we submit the application for GIS,
Is the government can claim same amount from me to recover the guarantee supplement income which they pay to my father?
As I sponsored to them so do government going to charge me back same amount money on different way to me? (As we sponsored them)
Is GIS to nothing to do with sponsorship and completely different benefits for seniors?

Any reply would be greatly appreciated.




Thank you very much Sir ji, it helps a lot :up:


 
Post ID: 238859 19-11-19 15:02:43
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OAS and GIS are not welfare. As long as they fulfil the criteria and are eligible for it, they can apply for it - irrespective of whether they were sponsored or not.

But be careful with GIS, as every dollar they earn, talking about their earning , NOT yours, their GIS will be approximately reduced by 50 cents.

This includes their world wide income, including any bank interest, FD interest, pension, provident fund, dividends, capital gains, rental income etc whic they might be getting in India also.

So make sure CRA doesn't know of ANY such income they have in India. Please hide that income! If you declare it, they will get next to nothing in GIS.

OAS is not much. GIS is their major income.


 
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Don't you have to finish at least 10 years in Canada before you start getting OAS + GIS?

So if they came in 2013, how come they are getting OAS and GIS, so soon in 2019? Don't they have to wait till 2023?

I think you have to be 65 and need to complete 10 years in Canada.

Or maybe India & Canada have some social security agreements, where years worked in India are calculated towards the 10 years and you start getting it at 65 in Canada, even if you haven't finished 10 years in Canada.


 
Post ID: 238865 21-11-19 02:42:22
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Don't you have to finish at least 10 years in Canada before you start getting OAS + GIS?

So if they came in 2013, how come they are getting OAS and GIS, so soon in 2019? Don't they have to wait till 2023?

I think you have to be 65 and need to complete 10 years in Canada.

Or maybe India & Canada have some social security agreements, where years worked in India are calculated towards the 10 years and you start getting it at 65 in Canada, even if you haven't finished 10 years in Canada.





I was surprised too when received the letter and forms from Service Canada. I called Service Canada and they said my father is may be going to eligible for GIS as his age 65 plus. (Depending on calculation by Service Canada)


 
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Quote:
Originally posted by RBO

Quote:
Originally posted by MITRON

Don't you have to finish at least 10 years in Canada before you start getting OAS + GIS?

So if they came in 2013, how come they are getting OAS and GIS, so soon in 2019? Don't they have to wait till 2023?

I think you have to be 65 and need to complete 10 years in Canada.

Or maybe India & Canada have some social security agreements, where years worked in India are calculated towards the 10 years and you start getting it at 65 in Canada, even if you haven't finished 10 years in Canada.





I was surprised too when received the letter and forms from Service Canada. I called Service Canada and they said my father is may be going to eligible for GIS as his age 65 plus. (Depending on calculation by Service Canada)



Apply anyway then. The worst thing that can happen is that they will deny the claim if they are ineligible.

Keep a record/photo copy of all your correspondence with them for your records.

Keep the envelope also in which they mailed you the forms, so that you can say that THEY mailed you the forms and you didn't just print them online and mailed it to them.

Also when you call them, note down the date and time of call and if possible the employee name/ ID or any confirmation number or reference number.



 
Post ID: 238867 21-11-19 11:49:29
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Originally posted by RBO

Quote:
Originally posted by MITRON

Don't you have to finish at least 10 years in Canada before you start getting OAS + GIS?

So if they came in 2013, how come they are getting OAS and GIS, so soon in 2019? Don't they have to wait till 2023?

I think you have to be 65 and need to complete 10 years in Canada.

Or maybe India & Canada have some social security agreements, where years worked in India are calculated towards the 10 years and you start getting it at 65 in Canada, even if you haven't finished 10 years in Canada.





I was surprised too when received the letter and forms from Service Canada. I called Service Canada and they said my father is may be going to eligible for GIS as his age 65 plus. (Depending on calculation by Service Canada)



Apply anyway then. The worst thing that can happen is that they will deny the claim if they are ineligible.

Keep a record/photo copy of all your correspondence with them for your records.

Keep the envelope also in which they mailed you the forms, so that you can say that THEY mailed you the forms and you didn't just print them online and mailed it to them.

Also when you call them, note down the date and time of call and if possible the employee name/ ID or any confirmation number or reference number.



Thank you for advice and points to keep in mind....Appreciated.


 
Post ID: 238868 21-11-19 12:16:02
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Quote:
Originally posted by RBO

Quote:
Originally posted by MITRON

Don't you have to finish at least 10 years in Canada before you start getting OAS + GIS?

So if they came in 2013, how come they are getting OAS and GIS, so soon in 2019? Don't they have to wait till 2023?

I think you have to be 65 and need to complete 10 years in Canada.

Or maybe India & Canada have some social security agreements, where years worked in India are calculated towards the 10 years and you start getting it at 65 in Canada, even if you haven't finished 10 years in Canada.





I was surprised too when received the letter and forms from Service Canada. I called Service Canada and they said my father is may be going to eligible for GIS as his age 65 plus. (Depending on calculation by Service Canada)



I know an Indian couple who came to Canada at the age of 60 as a PR.
But they started getting OAS and GIS at 65, after just 5 years in Canada.

The husband had worked and lived in Germany for 8 years. He even gets a German pension (small amount ) in Canada. Because he worked in Germany and Canada/Germany have a social security agreement, they included his 8 years in Germany as 8 years in Canada.

So they said you have lived 8+5 = 13 years in Canada. Out of which only 5 are Canadian years.

The OAS and GIS application was handled by a different departments called International Operations, not regular Service Canada employees.

Your parents case might be the same. Modi is putting India on the world map. He is making sure INDIA gets the same respect from Canada and pension agreements, tax agreements like US, Europe, Singapore,Australia New Zealand etc.

This is the address :

https://catalogue.servicecanada.gc.ca/content/EForms/en/Profile.html?Group=HRSDC/ISP/IBF

By phone:

From Canada or the United States (toll-free numbers)

1 800 454 8731
1 800 255 4786 (TTY)

From other countries
+1 613 957 1954 (collect calls are accepted)

By mail:

International Operations
Service Canada
Ottawa, ON K1A 0L4
CANADA

By fax: +1 613 952 890



 
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This could be why they are getting OAS and GIS early. There must be some Canada & India social security/pension agreement.

https://retirehappy.ca/social-security-agreements-cpp-oas/

How international social security agreements affect CPP and OAS eligibility
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Canada currently has international social security agreements with over 50 countries. These agreements coordinate pension programs for people who have lived or worked in two countries.

Included in the 50 countries are the United States, France, Germany, Australia, Japan, as well as many smaller countries. Canada has only a limited agreement with the United Kingdom.

To get a list of all the countries with which Canada has agreements with and explanations of each agreement, visit the Service Canada website.

What is the purpose of these social security agreements?
Most of the agreements are similar, and are generally designed to do two things:

Eliminate duplicate coverage, for example where an individual lives in one country while working temporarily in another country
Eliminate gaps in coverage, where an individual has contributed to both countries but doesn’t have enough contributions to qualify for benefits in one or both countries.

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While both objectives are important, this article will deal exclusively with how the agreements eliminate gaps in coverage.

What is the meant by gaps in coverage?
Eligibility for social security benefits in Canada and in most other countries generally requires that you meet some minimum contributory criteria. For example:

You must have resided in Canada for at least 10 years after age 18 in order to be eligible for even a partial Old Age Security (OAS) pension.
You must have resided in Canada for at least 20 years after age 18 in order for your OAS pension to be permanently payable outside of Canada.
You generally must have contributed to the Canada Pension Plan (CPP) for four of the last six calendar years in order to be eligible for a CPP disability benefit.
You must have contributed for one-third of the years in your contributory period in order to be eligible for CPP death or survivor benefits.
Meeting these minimum contributory requirements is generally not difficult if you’ve lived your entire life in Canada. It is much more difficult if you’ve moved to or from another country partway through life. Without a social security agreement between those countries, people might not qualify for benefits from one or both of those countries.


 
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