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Originally posted by san-hugo
It demeans the capabilities of women officers and against the principle of equity.
It damages the reputation and hurt feeling of particular individuals & creed aka women , moreover are true allegations. Thus falls under purview of a scandal.
Not intending to defend the actions of the Sadhus - but this is trying to twist the meaning of the word to justify its applicability. It would have been a scandal if something embarrassing about the Sadhus was highlighted - but definitely not a scandal relating to demeaning of the CBSA officers.
Ideally they should have not made those request in the first place - but as high value customers of BA they did (requesting is within their right). To accept/reject/implement is the decision of BA/CBSA supervisor.
However, just as you have the right to remain atheist and expect everyone to respect it - it is equally important not to ridicule those who have their own beliefs. Each his own. It is the intolerance of either that causes the friction. So please live and let others live as they like it.
Peace to all.
Hiren
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Originally posted by hchheda
Quote:
Originally posted by san-hugo
It demeans the capabilities of women officers and against the principle of equity.
It damages the reputation and hurt feeling of particular individuals & creed aka women , moreover are true allegations. Thus falls under purview of a scandal.
Not intending to defend the actions of the Sadhus - but this is trying to twist the meaning of the word to justify its applicability. It would have been a scandal if something embarrassing about the Sadhus was highlighted - but definitely not a scandal relating to demeaning of the CBSA officers.
Ideally they should have not made those request in the first place - but as high value customers of BA they did (requesting is within their right). To accept/reject/implement is the decision of BA/CBSA supervisor.
However, just as you have the right to remain atheist and expect everyone to respect it - it is equally important not to ridicule those who have their own beliefs. Each his own. It is the intolerance of either that causes the friction. So please live and let others live as they like it.
Peace to all.
Hiren
Seems like you think I made the meaning up,
Pls read following excerpts from news in the link which Monica admin provided.
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"The officer said she and her colleagues are outraged such a request would be considered by CBSA management."
"The officer said granting such a request could undermine border guards' efforts to prevent criminals, terrorists and illegal immigrants from entering the country.
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Customs worker and local union president Mark Weber said he's received complaints from members across the country about the incident at Pearson.
"This has turned into a big issue for a lot of people," he said.
Weber said his union is considering making a complaint to the Canadian Human Rights Commission and wants a meeting with CBSA managers.
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Do you still think it is not a scandal ? a set of individuals are outraged and there are set of allegations - that was the definition of scandal copy pasted by peacock.
While we hate and raise hell if mullahs voice up to allow veils in schools or building a madrassa , in the same breath we try to justify sadhus in the similar act . So much for live and let live. Even I know that it was an innocent request by sadhus who are unaware of rulings of this part of world and man-woman equity. It should be discouraged not obliged. Religion has to stay in the boundaries of temples and mosque or there is jungle for it. When brought into public space it becomes a curse. History proved it, future will.
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Originally posted by san-hugo
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Originally posted by hchheda
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Originally posted by san-hugo
It demeans the capabilities of women officers and against the principle of equity.
It damages the reputation and hurt feeling of particular individuals & creed aka women , moreover are true allegations. Thus falls under purview of a scandal.
Not intending to defend the actions of the Sadhus - but this is trying to twist the meaning of the word to justify its applicability. It would have been a scandal if something embarrassing about the Sadhus was highlighted - but definitely not a scandal relating to demeaning of the CBSA officers.
Ideally they should have not made those request in the first place - but as high value customers of BA they did (requesting is within their right). To accept/reject/implement is the decision of BA/CBSA supervisor.
However, just as you have the right to remain atheist and expect everyone to respect it - it is equally important not to ridicule those who have their own beliefs. Each his own. It is the intolerance of either that causes the friction. So please live and let others live as they like it.
Peace to all.
Hiren
Seems like you think I made the meaning up,
Pls read following excerpts from news in the link which Monica admin provided.
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"The officer said she and her colleagues are outraged such a request would be considered by CBSA management."
"The officer said granting such a request could undermine border guards' efforts to prevent criminals, terrorists and illegal immigrants from entering the country.
"
Customs worker and local union president Mark Weber said he's received complaints from members across the country about the incident at Pearson.
"This has turned into a big issue for a lot of people," he said.
Weber said his union is considering making a complaint to the Canadian Human Rights Commission and wants a meeting with CBSA managers.
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Do you still think it is not a scandal ? a set of individuals are outraged and there are set of allegations - that was the definition of scandal copy pasted by peacock.
While we hate and raise hell if mullahs voice up to allow veils in schools or building a madrassa , in the same breath we try to justify sadhus in the similar act . So much for live and let live. Even I know that it was an innocent request by sadhus who are unaware of rulings of this part of world and man-woman equity. It should be discouraged not obliged. Religion has to stay in the boundaries of temples and mosque or there is jungle for it. When brought into public space it becomes a curse. History proved it, future will.
San has put the gist very well. I totally agree.
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Posted on: 11-08-14 10:50:03
My right to faith or lack thereof is limited to my private life. I can't demand others in a public environment to oblige to my beliefs. From that standpoint, it's ridiculous for BA and CBSA to have even considered their request.
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Originally posted by san-hugo
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Not intending to defend the actions of the Sadhus - but this is trying to twist the meaning of the word to justify its applicability. It would have been a scandal if something embarrassing about the Sadhus was highlighted - but definitely not a scandal relating to demeaning of the CBSA officers.
Ideally they should have not made those request in the first place - but as high value customers of BA they did (requesting is within their right). To accept/reject/implement is the decision of BA/CBSA supervisor.
However, just as you have the right to remain atheist and expect everyone to respect it - it is equally important not to ridicule those who have their own beliefs. Each his own. It is the intolerance of either that causes the friction. So please live and let others live as they like it.
Peace to all.
Hiren
Seems like you think I made the meaning up,
Pls read following excerpts from news in the link which Monica admin provided.
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"The officer said she and her colleagues are outraged such a request would be considered by CBSA management."
"The officer said granting such a request could undermine border guards' efforts to prevent criminals, terrorists and illegal immigrants from entering the country.
"
Customs worker and local union president Mark Weber said he's received complaints from members across the country about the incident at Pearson.
"This has turned into a big issue for a lot of people," he said.
Weber said his union is considering making a complaint to the Canadian Human Rights Commission and wants a meeting with CBSA managers.
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Do you still think it is not a scandal ? a set of individuals are outraged and there are set of allegations - that was the definition of scandal copy pasted by peacock.
As per my understanding it would be termed as a scandal if directed towards the SADHUS, not the CBSA. If you wish to be bored, I can break down the definition in technical terms and prove to you that it should not be applied. The bigger question is do we need to spend our time and energy in such unproductive farce because one poster chose to sensationalize the issue?
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While we hate and raise hell if mullahs voice up to allow veils in schools or building a madrassa , in the same breath we try to justify sadhus in the similar act . So much for live and let live. Even I know that it was an innocent request by sadhus who are unaware of rulings of this part of world and man-woman equity. It should be discouraged not obliged. Religion has to stay in the boundaries of temples and mosque or there is jungle for it. When brought into public space it becomes a curse. History proved it, future will.
I believe we are both agree but in different ways.
a. The request was obliged to by the supervisors of CBSA and BA. The requestor may or may not be aware of the issue and its gravity.
b. If you read my post again, I did not justify their request. In fact, I did say that they should not have made the request in the first place.
c. You have every right to object the introduction of religion into public space and follow it through. But to subject the followers of those religion to ridicule is not what I agree with.
d. Finally, I wish to abstain from commenting on the Mullahs issue you mentioned above since there is a lot of smoke and misinformation being spread by vested groups to actually address it in a logical way.
Peace.
Hiren
The fact that the requests of the Sadhus , was considered, and accepted , by the authorities, does it not in itself, shall mean there was nothing inappropriate in the demand.
These country has not been tolerating any nonsenses, and they are even notorious in rejecting the visa applications on the slightest of doubt, leave alone considering a special requests of such a sensitive nature.
Unions are also doing their job of keeping pleased their members, by raising issues where none exists.
These sadhus have been visiting these countries for so many years I believe, and there shall be similar incidents in past too, I am not sure, I am assuming this , based on the fact that the all Sadhus have been practicing the same restrictions, I mean this in not new
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I think Sadhus had the right to request, it was up to CBSA to accept or reject it. If it were women sadhus and they requested they deal with women officers only, probably it would not have been in news even!
"The officer said granting such a request could undermine border guards' efforts to prevent criminals, terrorists and illegal immigrants from entering the country."
By making such a statement is she not undermining the capabilities of a male border security officer?
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