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Prohibition in Gujarat!!! It is about time




http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/ahmedabad/US-cos-tell-Modi-to-lift-prohibition/articleshow/5482798.cms

I fail to understand how prohibition can be a "matter of key concern" economic development in the state. However I do agree that prohibition is an antiquated ideology and should be scraped.

People who want to drink get their supply by any means. Removing prohibition will get rid of bootlegging.

Ontario has strict liquor laws. If similar kind of law reinforcement is carried out in Gujarat, I don't think it will increase the lawlessness and eve teasing. On the contrary, more jobs will be available in retail and manufacturing.


 
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Post ID: 156864 21-01-10 17:11:38
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The greatness about Mumbai is that everything is available 24/7 and within a stone throw distance. You want liqour you can go to an Irani joint or a good pub in Mumbai. You want SEX it is available everywhere, you want a place for a Quickie you do not want to look beyond your Railway station roads both on Western and Central side of the electric train.

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Prohibition is the biggest joke in Gujarat.

You can tip the waiter and get a good drink from the underground bar in Express Towers or any good hotel in Vadodara.

You can get Daru in Surat.

You drive down to Daman and right on the border the next building outside Gujarat is Daru Ka Dhukan.

You go up north you can get all types of liquor from Mount Abu from the Rajasthan border.

I personally have attended parties in Karnavati in some SUPER RICH persons home(s) during the Navrathiri/Diwali/ Lakshmi Puja day where Phoren Scotch poured like water.

This was a stone throw distance from Sabarmati Ashram.

Honestly we should be realistic in 2010.

Both liquor and illegal/unwanted abortions are norms in Gujarat and we cannot avoid it but we need to address it with youngsters.

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Quote:
Originally posted by meghal

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/ahmedabad/US-cos-tell-Modi-to-lift-prohibition/articleshow/5482798.cms

However I do agree that prohibition is an antiquated ideology and should be scraped.

People who want to drink get their supply by any means. Removing prohibition will get rid of bootlegging.

Ontario has strict liquor laws. If similar kind of law reinforcement is carried out in Gujarat, I don't think it will increase the lawlessness and eve teasing. On the contrary, more jobs will be available in retail and manufacturing.



I tend to disagree with that logic, but its my personal belief that 'banned' alcohol plays quite a prominent role in Gujarat's social and economic development.

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One of the major problems with lifting prohibition is the issue of bootleggers. Would they get into a different activity - for easy money ? Would it result in more crime ?

In any case there many in gujarat who are fighting over this. Meghal, you may want to join a group on FB. http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=108082218359

The group also protested on New years eve in Baroda.


 
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I tend to disagree with that logic, but its my personal belief that 'banned' alcohol plays quite a prominent role in Gujarat's social and economic development.

Hiren



How? Do you think that illegal activity should be allowed if they somehow contribute to the development of the society? Or how has prohibition played a role in Gujarat's development?

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One of the major problems with lifting prohibition is the issue of bootleggers. Would they get into a different activity - for easy money ? Would it result in more crime ?



Agree on that issue. Maybe that will have to look around to keep them busy. Maybe it would change the nature of crime. It won't lead to increase in crime.

For all of us living in Canada, we know that having liquor available hasn't created a major issue in crime, except for drunk driving. The focus should be on education and law enforcement. I know it is easier said than done. But why to continue a faulty practice?


 
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It is not at all difficult to get Alcohol in Gujarat.

Some how, for some weird reasons, it is mater of pride for guys who drink in Gujarat. They are so proud that "I drink n drive" ... "I can get you as many bottles as you want of any brand" ... Problem is, many a times they don't know what they are drinking. So many "Laththa Kand".

Legalise it - generate some revenue and get rid-off knock-offs. People who wants to drink will drink anywhere n anything. At least, let them have real authentic one. Social n responsible drinking is not bad.




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Post ID: 156913 22-01-10 11:17:13
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What we are all discussing here is about the 'affluent' who can afford to buy these. There is a very small 'slum' section of the society who goes for 'latha kand' stuff. But there is a vast majority lower middle and middle class who cannot afford and does not indulge in 'everyday' drinking. If these bottles were officially available at every corner store imagine the amount of consumption and the loss in family income of this class. Revenue will be generated for the state/business - but who will be paying for it? Forget about education and control in India, we all know how effective it is.

I stayed in Mumbai close to a slum area and have seen first hand the amount of nuisance and family fights every night due to Alcohol.

Based on the article, it is anybody's guess why all the corporates are requesting for the change in the law - it is business as usual for them.

Anyways, it is just my opinion and I am aware that I am in the minority. But that does not change my opinion.

Hiren


 
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But there is a vast majority lower middle and middle class who cannot afford and does not indulge in 'everyday' drinking. If these bottles were officially available at every corner store imagine the amount of consumption and the loss in family income of this class.



I think in Gujarat, the concept of lower middle class may soon be phasing out. Secondly, all of my friend are from middle class and they drink regularly. You cannot control people's bad behaviour by imposing laws. What about the income spent after "gutkhas", smoking and gambling? Or even how about income spent after medical expenses, that could be avoided just by cleanliness, clean water and clean air?

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I stayed in Mumbai close to a slum area and have seen first hand the amount of nuisance and family fights every night due to Alcohol.



I agree with you. I have seen during my brief visit to Solapur, the long lines in front of liquor shop in evening.

But we need a sociological and statistical study to find out if such malaise is less in Gujarat compared to other states in the lower strata of the society.

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Based on the article, it is anybody's guess why all the corporates are requesting for the change in the law - it is business as usual for them.



Yes. The prohibition should be lifted only after deciding the pros and cons. But I believe cons outweighs the pros

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Anyways, it is just my opinion and I am aware that I am in the minority. But that does not change my opinion.

Hiren



There can always be a healthy debate - issues where we can agree to disagree. :)


 
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I think in Gujarat, the concept of lower middle class may soon be phasing out. Secondly, all of my friend are from middle class and they drink regularly.



I agree that there is already a class of people you drink regularly - but cannot be generalized.



You cannot control people's bad behaviour by imposing laws. What about the income spent after \"gutkhas\", smoking and gambling? Or even how about income spent after medical expenses, that could be avoided just by cleanliness, clean water and clean air?


I agree to that as well - but adding another 'vice' is not the solution to the above problems. Please understand that the use of 'vice' is relative here since the item is illegal and socially not acceptable in Gujarat.

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There can always be a healthy debate - issues where we can agree to disagree. :)



That I fully agree..:cheers:

Hiren

 
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Quote:
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I agree to that as well - but adding another 'vice' is not the solution to the above problems. Please understand that the use of 'vice' is relative here since the item is illegal and socially not acceptable in Gujarat.


People who drink, drink because it is socially not acceptable. They feel superior (above society) by drinking. I have seen this behaviour even in Bombay, where it is legal - but to lesser extent. And because they are always under pressure to 'perform' - they tend to drink more n finish in quick time.

People who drink will drink anyways ... People who drink more n abuse are anyways doing it. Responsible drinkers are there who I think wont change their habit, even when it is legal. By legalising it, you are taking away that extra 'kick' that they get by doing something 'illegal'.

I am not from Gujarat so I dont have that much insight as you guys but this is just my observation.




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