Janmeja,

Just a few friendly spelling corrections in your post which might help you:

Sincerly hoping you will not take it otherwise.

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Originally posted by Janmeja

I Agree with every one .Ashok you need to decide what you want, you cant have one leg in each boat and expect to be stable. i know dubai has a lot of moneyu (money) to offer but thay will NEVER except (accept) you as a citizen. you will always be a (at) mercy of their vims (whims) and fancies. here is acountry that is giving you first class staus from day one and you want to cheat it. we have all started all over again that was the deal we excepted (accepted) from the day we applied . so think again.
all you need to do is work hard and yopull (???) give your childeren abetter life and more important astable one .

its such awaist (a waste) of time for the immigration department to let you ppl come , there may have been another family better deserving who lost its place because of you . the idea of immigration is that we increace (increase) the population here and thus the economy florishes (flourishes).

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Advice is free – lessons I charge for!!

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Originally posted by ftfl

If your daughter 'turns 18', after she finishes her grade 12, then, you can certainly come back to Canada and see her settle down 'comfortably' in her education and return back to Dubai. According to statistics, one third of the children, do not have one parent or both. NOW, there comes a time in life, that you have to sever ties with your children, and some times for their good, and here in I see a parent doing the best he can to better the child's future. And being in such a situation, when you are seeking a way out and find that it is not that simple a solution, and seek a little help from some people who are, from your own clan, and find them decimating you, in public, I felt, that I can step in here and see how you can go about it in your own way and help them get a better future, which is all that you can do from here on.

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Originally posted by ftfl

\" I EXPECT TO PASS THROUGH LIFE BUT ONCE. IF, THEREFORE, THERE CAN BE ANY KINDNESS I CAN SHOW, OR ANY GOOD THING THAT I CAN DO TO ANY FELLOW BEING, LET ME DO IT NOW, AND NOT DEFER OR NEGLECT IT, AS I SHALL NOT PASS THIS WAY AGAIN\"

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Dear Ashok,

Your PR status is alive even if you do not spend 3 years in Canada. You need to have two years of physical presence in Canada in order to maintain your PR status (in a 5 year period after getting PR). This is the situation as on date. So in case you shift to Canada in April 2008 & stay on for another two years, you should be good to renew your PR status.
Of course the choice after that is yours, since it will renew your PR status for another 5 years. That will give enough time for your children to apply for citizen ship and for you to think if you would like to stay in this country or not.
This is perfectly legitimate and it is your choice.
Please check this link for more detail

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/newcomer/res-oblig.html

However if you (as principal applicant) do not spend this time in Canada (from 2005 – 2010), then you loose your PR status. How that affects your children’s status (who would have been in Canada for 2 years) is for some expert to say, I unfortunately would not know the legal aspect involved.

I am surprised at the reaction of people on this forum, to such a request. There was nothing “illegal” or “dishonest” in his request. My guess is his reference to “direct or even indirect means” got everyone worked up. Now Ashok, one indirect way (without setting your foot on Canadian soil), to retain your PR status is you work for a Canadian company in UAE. This is perfectly legit. Do you need to be hired in Canada for this? Or what kind of Canadian company it has to be? Well here is a start.

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/newcomer/cdnbusiness.html

The way I understand my and his situation is “A country – Canada- needs immigrants and I – immigrant – am looking for a better future.” No one is doing a favor. Now at no point in time am I obliged to stay in this country for ever and go through “ups & down”. I NEVER SIGNED ON ANYTHING THAT SAYS I HAVE TO STAY IN CANADA “FOREVER”. Let’s say after I get my citizenship and I shift to another country for work – am I doing anything illegal, am I breaking a law. No it is my choice. I save on taxes, by working abroad – again I am not doing anything illegal – not paying taxes is illegal but saving (by working outside Canada) is perfectly legitimate.

I have come across many Canadian – Canadian (not to mix with immigrant Canadian’s) & they said they are working outside Canada because of high taxes here.

“Secondly we immigrants who have been staying here and dealing with the ups and downs that this country has to offer would also not like people like you to take advantage of our labour” …….. Chandresh

Now Chandresh the image I get in mind is a 50’s bollywood movie where the poor farmer is toiling hard & the “zamindar”is enjoying listening to “mujra”.

Now Ashok does not want to scam you of your “tax dollar subsidized education”. He is just trying to ask how he can get the best for his family in his situation. He has applied for immigration which entitles him to live in Canada for 5 years and get all the benefits (including education) – period.

Dear Son-of-india stop shouting and answer this – How is Ashok cheating Canada? Why are all Indian’s getting a bad name incase he decides not to come after getting his PR? It is his choice & he is within his right not to come. There is a delay in getting immigration – well he also waited for a few years.

I apply for immigration and wait for 5 years to get it, after that I decide not to take it. So what is wrong in that? Somebody has to wait – too bad. This is life.

Hi Big Vee,
I note from your first posting, that you have come across situations akin to Ashokved's and have seen how they handled it appropriately to suit themselves. That was appreciated.
I for one, didn't like your seperation of my Creed from the body of my statement., and quote it out of context. Your morals befit your stories. The treatment that this board will mete out to you depends upon your postiings.

Your second part of the second posting is uncalled for. What you are asking there in, is preposterous. AND, If per chance you do have intentions to carry on any such acts listed there in the body of your letter and seeking assitance from 'Freddie', you are totally mistaken and I will be first one to see that you are apprehended prior to your commiting such act. Then you are totally interned and 'retired into' the lilcence plate industry.
As regards 'decimating', you are free to choose the percentage that you want as your share of the act. I had no part in it. That was also of your own making.
Next time, "ENGAGE YOUR BRAIN IN GEAR PRIOR TO OPENING YOUR MOUTH". Also tone down your remarks. Cut down on your outbursts. You will live to see a lot more years, if you do that. I can sense the personaliuty conflilcts here. Mmmmm.... getting more interesting.

Freddie.

Moral of the story is: Never stand between the rails when the freight train is rolling at a Hundred. Unless of course you are a Super...man. I am not.

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And now the second part of my post........
Freddie, I love my career but I want to retire. I am a fellow desi and I am asking you as my clansman to help. There is a CIBC bank just down the road from here and I hear they have a large vault. Remember this quote :-
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\" I EXPECT TO PASS THROUGH LIFE BUT ONCE. IF, THEREFORE, THERE CAN BE ANY KINDNESS I CAN SHOW, OR ANY GOOD THING THAT I CAN DO TO ANY FELLOW BEING, LET ME DO IT NOW, AND NOT DEFER OR NEGLECT IT, AS I SHALL NOT PASS THIS WAY AGAIN\"
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Just a reminder, bring a mask and some kind of weapon. Thanks man!

Moral of the story:- Keep your quotes in context

BV""

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Originally posted by ftfl
FIRST to start my letter here, \"WHAT A CRUEL WORLD WE LIVE IN\". When another Desi is in a predicament, and if I can help you, I will try to help you. If you are wrong, then, I will try to get you on the straight and narrow. If you are in a predicament, in such a state that you are now in, I will try and help you, because, right in front of me I have a poster that says

\" I EXPECT TO PASS THROUGH LIFE BUT ONCE. IF, THEREFORE, THERE CAN BE ANY KINDNESS I CAN SHOW, OR ANY GOOD THING THAT I CAN DO TO ANY FELLOW BEING, LET ME DO IT NOW, AND NOT DEFER OR NEGLECT IT, AS I SHALL NOT PASS THIS WAY AGAIN\"

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Puttoo,

You seem to be a sensible guys, but I think you did not get the basic idea of Ashok's post in my view.

According to me, and others who have voiced their opinion, here is a person who has got his visa, but now does not want to make Canada his home from day one of getting his visa. However, he still wants to get the benefits of Canadian PR, in this case, subsidized education for his daughter, and so wants to maintain his family's PR 'by direct or indirect' methods.

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Originally posted by puttoo

Dear Ashok,

Your PR status is alive even if you do not spend 3 years in Canada.

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Originally posted by puttooYou need to have two years of physical presence in Canada in order to maintain your PR status (in a 5 year period after getting PR). This is the situation as on date. So in case you shift to Canada in April 2008 & stay on for another two years, you should be good to renew your PR status.

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Originally posted by puttoo
Of course the choice after that is yours, since it will renew your PR status for another 5 years. That will give enough time for your children to apply for citizen ship and for you to think if you would like to stay in this country or not.
This is perfectly legitimate and it is your choice.

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Originally posted by puttooI am surprised at the reaction of people on this forum, to such a request. There was nothing “illegal” or “dishonest” in his request. My guess is his reference to “direct or even indirect means” got everyone worked up.

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Originally posted by puttooNo it is my choice. I save on taxes, by working abroad – again I am not doing anything illegal – not paying taxes is illegal but saving (by working outside Canada) is perfectly legitimate.

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Originally posted by puttooI have come across many Canadian – Canadian (not to mix with immigrant Canadian’s) & they said they are working outside Canada because of high taxes here.

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“Secondly we immigrants who have been staying here and dealing with the ups and downs that this country has to offer would also not like people like you to take advantage of our labour” …….. Chandresh

Now Chandresh the image I get in mind is a 50’s bollywood movie where the poor farmer is toiling hard & the “zamindar”is enjoying listening to “mujra”.

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Originally posted by puttoo
Now Ashok does not want to scam you of your “tax dollar subsidized education”. He is just trying to ask how he can get the best for his family in his situation. He has applied for immigration which entitles him to live in Canada for 5 years and get all the benefits (including education) – period.

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Originally posted by puttooI apply for immigration and wait for 5 years to get it, after that I decide not to take it. So what is wrong in that?

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Chandresh

Advice is free – lessons I charge for!!

BUT here is what I see and what I offered as help.

""Ashokved says

My daughter is in grade 11 and by April 2008 she will complete her 12th grade and become eligible to enter University.

But, what I understood that within first 3 years of stamping our first visit, we need to get back in Canada tostay longer period, how much is this longer period ?""


Here is what you saw and objected to vehemently.
"Ashokved
Most importantly, i want to know that are there any ways & means whereby we can get this process extended, "direct or even indirect" ways of proving that we were there but keep our immigrants' status alive by any means ?

Appreciate your feedback"

You gave your feed backs.

""chandresh
Global Moderator
Member since: Mar 03

Says: Firstly there is........
to begin my career all over again.""

""Big Vee
Big Vee
Senior Desi
Member since: Jan 05
Hello Ashok, I love that line ! ...........
would prefer if you went some where else.""

""ftfl
ftfl
Desi
Member since: Jul 06

I totally agree with both of you and also chime in.

FIRST to start my letter here, "WHAT A CRUEL WORLD WE LIVE IN". When another Desi is in a predicament, and if I can help you, I will try to help you. If you are wrong, then, I will try to get you on the straight and narrow. If you are in a predicament, in such a state that you are now in, I will try and help you, because, right in front of me I have a poster that says

" I EXPECT TO PASS THROUGH LIFE BUT ONCE. IF, THEREFORE, THERE CAN BE ANY KINDNESS I CAN SHOW, OR ANY GOOD THING THAT I CAN DO TO ANY FELLOW BEING, LET ME DO IT NOW, AND NOT DEFER OR NEGLECT IT, AS I SHALL NOT PASS THIS WAY AGAIN"

YOU 'MUST' read through the first paragraph once more.
Then,
you will see a conjunction ""because""
That links the the whole paragraph above to the quotation, in CAPS below. which you see as a NOBLE one, and I call it my CREED, CANNOT be seperated. If you do, then you are taking the same OUT OF CONTEXT. period. You have no right to do that.
ALSO,
Anyone can withdraw his statement. after that we have no reason to continue to help or continue with this portion of the thread. If he does, then, you and me will be standing on the opposite side of the room with a big question mark looming over our head.
When you go through the FIRST paragraph, you will see my statement: When I see another Desi in a predicament, "and if I can help you, I will try to help you. If you are wrong, then, I will try to get you on the straight and narrow".

You, sir, conveniently ignored that portion of the line which states
"" IF YOU ARE WRONG, THEN, I WILL TRY TO GET YOU ON THE STRAIGHT AND NARROW"" and it suited your purpose.
DO YOU KNOW WHY?
That is BECAUSE your subconscious mind decides to start an argument. That is the reason I said " ENGAGE YOUR........ YOUR MOUTH".

What was the solution that I offered?
THE PREDICAMENT that I saw:and a possible solution. WHICH IS

""SECONDly I came to know, that, when people take up a work assignment in the middle east, they will permit to keep their children up to a certain age and then, they will request that they leave as they are minors no more and will have to leave the country for good. When this happens, the parents, who are affluent, such as you are, try and provide them a haven to move into.
So the Parents try and seek immigration for the sake of their children to another country, such as Europe or to Canada, for higher education for their children and also settlement. Most of the times, they find that they do not have suitable position here or the current employment is not so lucrative to jump ship and suffer from here on.""

Answer to another part of the Ashokved's question:

"" see that you were in this country in May of 2005. You do have a time frame within which you have to move in, say two years, after which, if you have not filled in the returning Immigrant forms, you will be sent back. The number of days that you were in Canada can be kept track of.with the link provided here with""

I DON'T know how long he stayed here in Canada and what efforts he made in securing a job. Hence THAT response.

Here is another answer to his state of predicament
""If your daughter 'turns 18', after she finishes her grade 12, then, you can certainly come back to Canada and see her settle down 'comfortably' in her education and return back to Dubai. According to statistics, one third of the children, do not have one parent or both. NOW, there comes a time in life, that you have to sever ties with your children, and some times for their good, and here in I see a parent doing the best he can to better the child's future. And being in such a situation, when you are seeking a way out and find that it is not that simple a solution, and seek a little help from some people who are, from your own clan, and find them decimating you, in public, I felt, that I can step in here and see how you can go about it in your own way and help them get a better future, which is all that you can do from here on.""

IF HIS DAUGHTER got into schooling system at the age of FIVE and completes grade 12, then she might be completing 17 by the end of school year in April.
She still might be under the age of 18, to be considered a Major here in Canada.

All of them have PR cards, they know how long they strayed in Canada, they know how old their daughter is and how old she will be when she finishes her grade 12. in the month of April of 2008.
Additional solution:
""If at a later date, or during the ensuing two years, if you do find a suitable opening, or a partner to get yourself into a profitable business, then surely do return, and set your self up, and provide some employment to a few of your own clan, and forget that you ever asked this question here on this website. What you generate as income there, in the next two will be sufficient to get you into a decent set up here till retirement.""

He should not have asked that question and asked him to withdraw the statement, voluntarily. Which he has not.

A WORD OF ENCOURAGEMENT
""Don't forget there is a great future for you and your children here. We need you and so do your children. Good luck in the Future, one that you will make from now on.""

An indirect way of chastising, where in you note, that he has not made much of himself thus far, and, now he has to start with a clean slate all over again. (At least on this board)

ALSO a P.S.:
P.S. I will be posting here under another response to another person,
that might also interest you in deciding your future.

Where in I posted my next letter about CRA. for him to read and do as he pleases.
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Big Vee,

Even in your next letter, you are getting your dander up and still quoting that I said that I will assist him in breaking the law.

My CREED kicks in before I start on letter. I read Ashokved's letter, analysed it, and did some mental math. I try and see what criminality that he is wanting to break here. I do know that he cannot.
DO YOU?
Ashokved, wanting to know any ways and means of 'legally' extending the process is all that I answered back with.
NOW, do YOU know an illegal ways of proving that they were in Canada and for an extended period such as two years? Unless he clones himself and sends the OTHER him down to Canada??
I don't.
Then, where is the place in which I helped him break the rules or the LAW??
You are picky picky. AND You are way over your head.
DO YOU KNOW WHY??
I DO.

Get off that high horse.
AND I AM NOT ON THE STAND AND I DON'T HAVE TO JUSTIFY MY STATEMENTS. THEY stand on their own merit and SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES.

Freddie.