http://www.forbes.com/2008/02/29/mitra-india-outsourcing-tech-enter-cx_sm_0229outsource.html

BURLINGAME, CALIF. - India is riding high on outsourcing.

Information technology and IT-enabled services will employ 4 million people in 2008 and account for 7% of gross domestic product and 33% of India's foreign-exchange inflows, according to Nasscom, an Indian IT industry organization.

The death of this industry is far from anyone’s mind.

However, the reality is that wages are rising in India. The cost advantage for offshoring to India used to be at least 1:6. Today, it is at best 1:3. Attrition is scary.

Jobs that are low value-added and easily automatable should and will disappear over the next decade.

People talk a lot about India moving up the value chain. Some of that has indeed happened. An industry that started gaining momentum when Indian software developers were tapped to help fix the \"Y2K\" problems in old software code has blossomed beautifully into one that offers a much more comprehensive spectrum of services.

Yet, India, for all its glory, is still the world’s back office. India's tech industry is a \"services\" industry. The Indians don’t do the thinking. The customers do. India executes.

As a result, India has not learned to invent technology products of its own. Barring a few exceptions, the huge amount of venture capital chasing India finds it difficult to be deployed. There is way too much money, way too few deals. Instead, tech-sector VCs are now diverting capital to retail, real estate, hotels and other non-tech sectors.

India's $30 billion IT/ITES services industry, meanwhile, is slowly and surely losing its competitive advantage.

Most of the 4 million people that the industry employs have now \"arrived.\" They have breezed through the milestones that their fathers had to toil all their lives to reach. A phone. A watch. A TV. A car. A house.

They are complacent. They will not take risks. They have \"outsourced\" thinking to their customers.

As the 1:3 cost structure becomes 1:1.5, it will soon become inefficient to use Indian labor. Why not Oklahoma or British Columbia? For many Europeans, Eastern Europe has already become more compelling than India. The pure labor arbitrage equation will no longer balance.

ADP, the largest U.S. payroll services provider, has 45,000 employees worldwide, of which only 2,500 are in India. It has around 1,000 workers in El Paso, Texas, it's expanding a location in Augusta, Ga., and it's opening a facility in Jackson, Miss. It's also growing a location in Halifax, Canada. ADP isn't moving its workforce to India--it's hedging its bets geographically. On a recent earnings call, ADP's chief executive used terms such as \"smartshoring,\" and \"nearshoring\" to describe the strategy.

The software as a service (SaaS) megatrend in technology also plays against India.

Here's an example: There's a tiny Silicon Valley start-up called InsideView. It helps customers to generate sales leads, qualify those leads and use technology tools to help find big sales opportunities for customers.

In November 2007, InsideView acquired a company called TrueAdvantage, which did the exact same thing manually with a team of 150 people in India. After the acquisition, InsideView moved all 2,500 of TrueAdvantage's customers over to its SaaS solution. All 150 TruAdvantage employees in India were laid off.

That's been a familiar tale in Detroit--but no so far in India. But that's changing.

Indian powerhouses like Infosys (nasdaq: INFY - news - people ) and Wipro (nyse: WIT - news - people ) must diversify their portfolios away from pure body-shopping and process competencies to technology-driven advantages. They, too, could build--or acquire--SaaS businesses.

So far that's not happening. Infosys is still hiring thousands of new employees in India every year. The mood is upbeat. Nasscom is forecasting 25% annual growth in the Indian IT services industry for the next few years. The golden goose is still laying large, warm eggs, enough to feed the 4 million and their families, servants, chauffeurs and cooks.

Meanwhile, the workforce is getting comfortable in their cubicle chairs, just as the turkey gets comfortable before Thanksgiving.

Forbes recently published some scary statistics on wage inflation in India. (See \"Indian Employees Enjoying Swift Pay Hikes.\" Salaries rose 15.1% in 2007, up from 14.4% the previous year. The 2008 forecast: 15.2%. This would be the fifth consecutive year of salary growth above 10%.

Add to that the appreciation of the rupee against the weakening dollar, and its impact on the labor arbitrage market.

Is the death of Indian outsourcing all that far off?

Assuming a 15% year-to-year salary hike rate, and a 2007 cost advantage of 1:3 in favor of India, if U.S. wages remain constant, India’s cost advantage disappears by 2015. Then what?

To add to this the non-reliability of Indian Ethics.

Employees sell secrets for peanuts.

If the unsecured image of India does not improve,

the downfall could be faster.

I have at least 5 friends who are in the IT industry in India, who have been to Canada, recently. They are riding on the crest of high salaries (starting at 30 k for a fresh engineering graduate). I see nothing but arrogance in their talk - they believe that outsourcing is there to stay, and that the west is nothing but a cheaper class two........ they believe in great numbers like a 9 % growth rate, and a under 3 % inflation.

My question to my fellow canadian desi's is:

1 Is there a real possibility that the outsourcing will get reversed someday soon, so that we, in the west, can have our jobs back?

2. Will the bubble burst in India, what with the high real estate prices, the over valued stocks and so forth........... I know there is a lot of hype in the media, over here in Canada as well as in India, about India being a "power to reckon with", "becoming
a super economic power" yada, yada, yada......., but can I get an unbiased opinion?

I know some of you might say that you can't predict the future, but what do the economic indicators, here and in India say?

Sorry if I sound unpatriotic, but I wish we in the west had our jobs back, from India!

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its really funny; especially watch whom the call centre is calling for support (no offence intended).

My 2c on this.

Due to the depreciation of the USD and possible recession, some of the small and medium sized IT firms in India are in trouble. Some are closing doors. Big firms have enough cash and can sustain easily. That's in IT. There are lot of exports from India including textiles, etc. There could be more in manufacturing sector also.

I do not believe that the growth rate is 9% as the numbers could be manipulated to suit the situation (and the govt babus are known for it). It could be 12% or it could be 5%, no one knows, including the finance minister (as he depends on the babus for the numbers).

How many are really benefiting from the boom? Mainly city folks. Small towns and villages are forgotten in this melee.

DIO

Although, not related to outsouring, following link reflects how the Indian Govt. plays with the figures and shows the false India shining(abroad):

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India_rising_in_US_Govt_falls_victim_to_net_hoax/articleshow/2856295.cms

Eye opener, in-fact.