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Posted on: 22-10-04 10:33:26
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First someone was accusing BL/Crenshaw/..../MI
Oh yeah, and I have a real good idea of who that was despite all the fake bad grammar.
I can certify that Wisernow didn't create a new id just for the heck of it, there was a reason behind it. So in his defense, it wasn't just to further a point, I may have partially been to blame because of a misunderstanding which we've now cleared.
Anyways, let's move on with the discussion at hand now.
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Are you there?
I guess I have nothing more to add to this subject. It was only my opinion. If you guys agree, it is fine, if not that's fine too. It is for the members of the board to decide for themselves how to avoid possible collateral damage in trying to be helpful.
I rest my case.
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Diogenes
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The Cynic
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Orginally posted by DiogenestheCynic
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Orginally posted by Interceptor
Frankly if some one would have told me about this site before my immigration i would have really been thankful to that guy as i really feel that immigrating to canada was one of the biggest MISTAKE in my life.
Agreed! But also possible is someone who may say \" It was BECAUSE I got to know of this site, and the messages I read that prompted me to decide to immigrate and now I realize that it made biggest MISTAKE in my life by coming here\".
Yes fully agreed. So what do we do now? If we do not write our opinions, we might please one guy but will definitely will not please the other because as Interceptor and I have pointed out, we would have made a different decision if had been fortunate enough to have this site and learn from it. Till now almost everyone who has commented (and there are scores of them) about this site has said that it has been a great help to him to take whatever decisions he has taken - but no one has complained that this site has prompted him to take a wrong decision. So should we stop doing the good work just with the thought that there is a remote possibility it might ruin someone's life who decides to rely only on this site and makes his judgement for one very important aspect of his life. Just because there is a 'in case'?
Moreover, as a member who has contributed a lot to the developement of this site, both thru my posts and thru personal meetings (even in India), I also give suggestions and opinions thru scores of PMs that I recieve from a no of persons, asking not only for immigration, but wide ranging topics like children's education, curtains and furniture, electronics, household goods, taxes, banking, house hunting etc. etc. And I know lot of others like BL, Biomed, Garvo get to do the same, perhaps more than I do. But that becomes a one to one communication - and if everything related to immigration was to be done thru PMs, we would be repeating the same information thousands of times - and infact, members might not be interested in the site if they do not find anything related to it on the public forum itself, and they have to make an extra effort of sending a PM.
There are hundreds of members who regularly read discussions on this site and learn from it - without ever participating by sending in their posts. It can be due to many reasons - one of them being just that some people, though very intelligent, are either not vocal or unable to pen down their thoughts. If all immigration matter was communicated thru PMs, such member (and there are quite a few) would be deprived of what they are getting today.
Think again please - should we stop doing something good only for 'what if......'???
Chandresh
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Chandresh
Advice is free – lessons I charge for!!
I am sorry that I am writing again despite having said that I rest my case. I think this should be the last from me on this issue.
The OP of this thread was mine and I said it because one day a very possible scenario occured to me. In my mind I saw a man, let's call him Mr S, who came to Canada as an immigrant. He ws close to 40. He had left a nice job back home and was here with his family including children. He had exhausted all his savings, had failed to get a decent job and was forced to work at odd jobs trying to make ends meet. He was sitting in a cafe and talking to a friend(F) who like him, was also an immigrant. I was sitting on a table next to them and he didn't know who I was. This is what I overheard:
F: So S, what were you doing in India?
S: :sigh: I was a manager in company X.
F: Oh that's a very good company to work for. I have heard that they are one of the best in India?
S: That's true.
F: So then why did you leave that and come here?
S: Ab choro yaar kya batayein. Takdeer jub kharab hotee hai to sub kuch galat hota hai.
F: Nahin phir bhee batao to sahee kya hua? Tumharee company mein kuch problem ho gayee thee, ya boss se nahin ban rahee thee?
S: No, I was doing very well in fact.
F: Then what happened?
S: Arrey kya batayein. A few years ago I saw this ad in the newspapers and all about immigration to Canada and that there is shortage of professional and skilled people here. I was contemplating whether to apply or not. Socha western country hai, developed nation hai to achcha rahega. I also got into touch with this old friend of mine who had moved to Canada. I asked him whether it would be a good idea to immigrate. He rightaway discouraged me. Bola aaney ki galati nahin karna. I started thinking ki sala apney to wahan baitha hai lekin mujhey bolta hai mut aao. Then while surfing the web I came across this site called Canadian Desi. Wahan bahut logon ke posts they kuch negative experiences ke kuch positive experiences ke. Ek specially yaad hai, uska screen name Diogenesthecynic tha. Sala, bada chad ke likhta tha, ki Canada mein naukri milna is not all that difficult as some people make it out. Bas positive rehne ki zaroorut hai. Bahut log hein jinko achchi naukri miltee hai. Aisaa kuch nahin hai ki naukri nahin miltee hai. Angrezi theek rakho, apney aap ko becho theek se aur sab mil jaata hai. Bas thoree mehnat aur lage rehney ki zaroorut hai. Aisa karto aur waisaa karo, ho jayega. Yeh ko negative post waaley hein unko mut dekho. Humlogon ko dekho!Us-key posts dekhta tha to lagtaa tha ki yeh sub jo log hein jinko naukri nahin milee hai, aur jo kehtey hein mut aao, saaley sub bekar log honge, tabhee nahin milaa inko kuch. Zaroor unmein kuch kamee hogee, tabhee aisaa likhtey hein. Arrey unko nahin milee to kya humko bhee nahin milegee. Yeh dekho kaisey bolta hai Diogenes. Sub batataa hai ki kaisey kaisey kya kranaa chahiye. Yeh log na-ummeed hokey haath dho ke baith gaya hai sub. Diogenesthe cynic ki posting se bahut achcha lagta thaa. Bahut encouragement milta tha. Kya misaal hai! Arrey mehnat karney se kaun ghabarata hai. Bas, hamney aav dekha na taav, apply kar diya. Aur aa bhee gaye! Ab bhaiya yehan aaney ke baad pataa lagaa, naukri milna kitna badaa problem hai. Hamarey khayal mein to hamari angrezi to koi kharab nahin hai. Apna kaam bhee jaantey hein. Kaho to in goron ko padhaa dein! Lekin kuch nahin mila. Pataa nahin milega bhee ki nahin kabhee. Idhar bibi jo kabhee ghar pe kaam nahin ki thee, jahan ghar pe full time servant thee, wohee aaj ek packaging company mein night shift kartee hai woh bhee industrial safety boot pehen ke. Poora raat jaagtee hai. Bachchey log raat mein poochtey hein, mummy kahan jaatee hai, aur usko yaad karkey rotey hein. Savere hum nikal jaatein hein yeh warehouse wali job mein. Sala peeth pakar leta hai shaam tuk.
Abhee woh Diogenes ka bachcha mile na, to sala ka galaa dabaa ke maar dein!! Barbaad ho gaye sala uska chakkar mein!
And then I thought to myself. I swear, this is not what I had suggested. I didn't tell him that he should immigrate. I only told him that things weren't bad as they were being made out. How does he hold me responsible for what he has done. That is wrong! Absolutely wrong! I also thought that I should walk over to him and tell him who I was and explain to him that it was wrong for him to hold me responsible for his actions. The decisions were his, and he was responsible. But somehow, and I don't know why, I just couldn't gather the courage to do that. I left the cafe and came home. I tried to sleep, but when I would close my eyes I would see the faces of his children, crying for their mother. I could see the mother, coming home tired, bags under the eyes because of lack of sleep. I would see him lifting weights and injuring himself. And I would ask myself - was I right in giving my opiniuons the way I did? Perhaps if should have kept my experiences to myself, or at least somehow made sure that they reached only those who were ALREADY here, maybe, just maybe, this chap would have been in his home country and not cursing me or his life.
End of scenario.
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Diogenes
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The Cynic
How very right!
I had gone to Delhi last year in July and met one person who was contemplating coming to Canada and had wanted to meet me after having read some posts of mine on CD. The guy had read my negative posts (of the initial period) and when we met, after listening to his story, his status, his expectations from Canada and judging what his own career will be in India, I advised him not to come. (He was on the verge of getting his visa). After talking to me for 4 hrs in two days, he was convinced.
When I met him again in February this year on my next visit to Delhi, he told me that he had got his visa but decided not to go.
A few days ago, he sent me an e-mail thanking me for my advice. He said that he had seen three of his friends come back to India and the fourth relation was fighting for a living by doing some odd jobs. Meanwhile, he had gone an excellant offer from a competitor and moved up the career ladder (and ofcourse all the monetary benefits that come with it) and now he will come to North America for a holiday with his family.
The day I received his mail, I slept so well. My experience and opinion based on that had saved some's life!
Chandresh
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Chandresh
Advice is free – lessons I charge for!!
The above post was narration of a dream that I had when I was having a nice afternoon nap after being tired of applying for jobs on the net!
chandresh
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Chandresh
Advice is free – lessons I charge for!!
Agreed with Chandresh! That's right too!
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Diogenes
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The Cynic
