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Registered Education Savings Plan (RESP)-FAQs
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WHAT IS RESP?
The Registered Education Savings Plan (RESP) is a plan set-up for child’s higher education and registered with the Canada Revenue Agency (CRA) for the purpose of tax-sheltered growth of investments. RESP registration with CRA is mandatory in order for the plan to enjoy free grant from CESG.

WHAT ARE THE CONTRIBUTION LIMITS?
The contribution limit per child per year is $4,000 to a lifetime maximum of $42,000.

WHAT IS CESG?
It is the Canada Education Savings Grant administered by the Human Resources Development Canada (www.hrdc-drhc.gc.ca).

WHAT IS FREE GOVERNMENT GRANT?
The free CESG is a special grant provided by the Govt. of Canada since January 1, 1998 to help families save for their children’s post-secondary studies. Your contribution amount earns an additional 20% from the federal government, to a maximum of $400 a year, until the end of the calendar year the child turns 17. The CESG applies to any amount on the first $2,000 you save each year, but you can contribute as much as $4,000 a year. The total CESG per child cannot exceed $7,200.

Note: It is expected beginning 2005, the 20% CESG would be enhanced for low-income families. For families with annual incomes up to $35,000, the first $500 contribution would attract 40% CESG and for those with incomes between $35,000 and $70,000 it would be 30%.

CAN I TAKE ADVANTAGE OF CESG FOR PAST YEARS?
Yes. Your child, if resident of Canada, has been accumulating CESG since January 1, 1998. For example, if your child became Canadian resident in 2003 but you set-up RESP in 2004, you can contribute $4,000 in 2004 and avail $800 as CESG ($400 for 2003 and $400 for 2004).

WHY IS IT IMPORTANT TO SET-UP RESP?
Among many compelling reasons, the three most important are:
(1) Cost of university education: According to the Human Resources Development Canada the cost of education would grow at the rate of 3% per year. As a result, children born in 2004 would need $61,000 to complete 4-year post-secondary education if they stay at home. The amount would swell to $112,000 for away-from-home students. The HRDC figures are quite conservative. Historically, the actual education cost has been increasing at the rate of 6.8% and not 3%.
(2) Job Skills: With paradigm shift to knowledge economy, two out of three jobs in Canada require a post-secondary education. In 1999, 167.000 jobs in Canada disappeared for people with no more than a high school education. Meanwhile, 431,000 jobs were created for workers with post-secondary education.
(3) Salary: College and university graduates are more likely than less educated people to find jobs, keep jobs and earn more money. In 2001, the post-secondary educated people earned an average of $61,823, $25,545 more than high school grads.

WHY INVESTING IN RESP IS BETTER THAN SAVING OUTSIDE RESP?
Your savings and CESG grow tax-free in RESP. Investments outside RESP do not earn CESG and income earned will be subject to tax at your marginal tax rate.

WHAT HAPPENS WHEN RESP MATURES?
When it is time for your child to go to university, you can withdraw your savings tax-free. The remaining portion of RESP (consists of growth of your savings, CESG contributions and CESG growth) is withdrawn in one or more installments. These are then taxed in the hands of your child. Since your child may not have any other income he/she may be taxed, if at all, at the lowest rate. The RESP money can be used for studies anywhere in the world.

CAN I TERMINATE RESP?
Yes. RESPs can be terminated at any time. However, depending on the type of RESP there may be some termination fees and CESG money would have to be returned to the Govt.

WHAT HAPPENS IF I BECOME NON-RESIDENT BUT MY NOMINEE REMAINS A RESIDENT?
As a non-resident you can still contribute to the RESP and also enjoy CESG.

WHAT HAPPENS IF MY NOMINEE AND I BECOME NON-RESIDENTS?
The RESP still remains active but any contributions made for a non-resident nominee account would not be eligible for CESG.

WHAT HAPPENS TO EDUCATION ASSISTANCE PAYMENTS (EAPs) WHEN MY NON-RESIDENT NOMINEE PURSUES HIGHER EDUCATION OUTSIDE CANADA?
The nominee would be eligible to receive EAPs but there may be a non-resident withholding tax of up to 25% depending on the country with or without tax treaty with Canada. Both US and India have treaty with Canada to avoid double taxation.

CAN I ROLLOVER MY RESP MONEY TO RRSP?
If your child does not pursue post-secondary education then under certain conditions you can rollover up to $50,000 RESP money into RRSP subject to the availability of RRSP room.




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the-entrepreneur   
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Location: Mississauga

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 31-10-04 23:43:41

Hi Hakuna,
Having enrolled several children in RESP programs, I can assure you that you cannot put money aside for your child in an RESP from 1998, unless you were resident from that year. It would seem from your info that your child is resident from 2000, thus you will be allowed to put money into an RESP account from year 2000 only upto to max of 4000 each year.
In your example asuming your child will not turn eleven this year, we have

1) year 2004- max contribution is $4000- CESG is given on full amount as grant on $2000 available for current year plus year 2003.

2) year 2005- max contribution is $4000- Grant is given on full amount as grant on $2000 available for current year plus year 2002

3) year 2006-max contribution is $4000- Grant is given on full amount as grant on $2000 available for current year plus year 2001

4) year 2007- max contribution is $4000- Grant is given on full amount as grant on $2000 available for current year plus year 2000.

5)year 2008- max contribution is $4000, however CESG only available on $2000 as you arrived in 2000 and there is no more space available for the grant.

6) year 2009- max contribution is $4000, however CESG only available on $2000 as you arrived in 2000 and there is no more space available for the grant.

and so on; the CESG will continue until the year your child turns 17.

After this you can contribute $4000 every year until a max of $42,000 has been reached within a time span of 21 years, but no CESG will be paid.

In the case given above, you can contribute $4000 for 10 years and then $ 2000 in the 11th year for a total of $42,000. However as pointed out the CESG will be given to you until the child turns 17 as per the schedule outlined above.

In case you are wondering why you would wish to keep on contributing for 4 years after the child turns 17, many people do this as they wish the money to grow tax free and then they gift the excess to the child or roll over into their RRSP.

If this seems too much info and you wish further clarification either post your queries here or email me at or call me at 905-781-9557

However, please also clarify with Teja.

Teja, if you don't mind please post your email id and phone here.

Thanks,

Lakshman
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YoursTruly   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 01-11-04 10:06:51

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Orginally posted by hakuna

thanks teja for the details. just a point for clarification.

pl. refer to my example for the years - some resp agents are assuring to give benefits from 1998. any idea how/why? ultimately, they would need to give me the cesg for those years - so, is there a likely gap in interpretation????



Hi hakuna,

As pointed out by you, the CESG eligibility rule, especially pertaining to Canadian residency, has given rise to dual interpretation. However, this rule read along with the definition of residency by CRA clearly indicates that the CESG can only be enjoyed once your child is a Canadian resident. As a general rule, all state-sponsored welfare programmes such as CCTB, OAS, GIS etc. are available only to residents. You lose these benefits once you become a non-resident.

As also stated by the-entrepreneur, the residency rule does not impact your child's lifetime eligibility of $42,000 contribution to RESP.

Can you ask the sales rep who has promised you the CESG for non-residency years to clarify this issue with his Branch Manager?



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hakuna   
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Location: toronto

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 01-11-04 13:21:59

Thanks for the feedback. An issue that u may clear for me please - What advantage is there of putting money in RESP for which I do not get CESG grant? I seem to miss the point if there is a tax aspect. If there is no advantage, then how is it different if I just kept the money in a bank/ deposit a/c? Pl. clarify. Thanks again.



YoursTruly   
Member since: Jul 04
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Location: Brampton

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 01-11-04 15:26:15

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Orginally posted by hakuna

Thanks for the feedback. An issue that u may clear for me please - What advantage is there of putting money in RESP for which I do not get CESG grant? I seem to miss the point if there is a tax aspect. If there is no advantage, then how is it different if I just kept the money in a bank/ deposit a/c? Pl. clarify. Thanks again.



In addition to benefits of compunding, the income inside an RESP is tax-sheltered while it is taxable in a non-registered account. When a beneficiary withdraws this income he pays tax. Let me illustrate this by comparing two scenarios:

(1) You contribute $2,000 per year to RESP for 15 years at 7% pa growth rate. The RESP account after 15 years: $53,776 (without CESG).

You can withdraw your contribution of $30,000 tax-free and the beneficiary would pay tax on $23,776. It is expected that as a student the beneficiary would have no other income and combined with education and tution credits he is most likely get this money tax-free.

(2) You deposit $2,000 per year to a non-registered account for 15 years at 7% pa growth rate. Every year you pay tax at 28.5% (the lowest tax bracket) on the income. Your total deposit after 15 years: $45,315.

This amount is tax-free. Compared to scenario (1), you are poorer by about $8,500.

While we are at it, let me also bring another important point to your attention. The Group RESPs, as against individual, family and self-directed RESPs, have something called an enhancement fund. Historically the scholarships have been considerably enhanced by this fund.

In my article on "Registered Education Savings Plan (RESP)-FAQs" I did not dwell on various types of RESPs and their advantages and disadvantages because I wanted to make the article simple and short.

I really appreciate that as a parent you are considering all aspects before taking a decision. If you need more detailed discussion about RESPs and their suitability to your particular situation, send me a PM.


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the-entrepreneur   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 01-11-04 15:52:15

Thanks for the feedback. An issue that u may clear for me please - What advantage is there of putting money in RESP for which I do not get CESG grant? I seem to miss the point if there is a tax aspect. If there is no advantage, then how is it different if I just kept the money in a bank/ deposit a/c? Pl. clarify. Thanks again.

Above by Hakuna
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For Trust Plans (individual or group pooled plans)
1) If you put money in a bank and gain interest on it, you have to pay tax on it at the end of the year
2) If you put money in Mutual funds, you may have to pay tax in your bracket on dividends and on capital gains if you redeem part or whole.
3) If you put money in a RESP plan, traditionally the returns have been better than a GIC or CSB and they grow tax free .Also at the end of paying for your child’s education you can roll over any excess to your RRSP account upto a max of $50,000 if you have room.
4) There is a plan in the market, an individual pooled plan, that if your child studies only 13 weeks at a post secondary school all the money you have put into it, including all the fees, can be taken out at one shot and the tax implications are based on your child’s income tax bracket which in general will be lower than yours. This is in case your child decides to drop out or doesn’t decide to go for further studies, you can at least force him/her to attend college for at least 13 weeks and get your money and pay tax at a lower rate. This is a simplistic view of looking at things. Depending upon your situation at that time there are several methods of reducing tax if money is in an RESP plan instead of fixed deposit or savings a/c
For self –directed plans.
Depending upon the plan I can give you the tax benefits of one weighed against the other.

You also have not indicated whether you wish to go for self-directed plans like of the banks or an Educational Trust plan.

Self directed plans may mean mutual funds, where the management expense ratios may be high and that may eat into your returns.Check with your agent what he is offering.

Hope I have been of help.

Lakshman


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Gujarati   
Member since: Jan 03
Posts: 38
Location: Toronto

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 14-07-05 21:52:04

Hi
If supose my kids will go in other country(out of canada) for university education then how much money they will get from RESP contribution?

and

Is it mandatory for my kids to complete their study in canada up to grade 12?
If they study out of canada up to grade 12 during their RESP contribution still are they eligible for Resp for their University education?



shankaracharya   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 15-07-05 08:18:18

PLEASE ADVICE ON RESP & RRSP :

I have RESP for my children in RBC since last 2 years. I plan to leave Canada at the end of the 3 years for good. As a Canadian Citizen living overseas, I do not want to pay income taxes in Canada for my world income. Hence to demonstrate that I do not have any ties with Canada, I'll close my bank accounts and stop other investments.

What should I do now? Should I close the RESP & RRSP and withdraw the money after paying taxes or should stop contributing and leave the account to mature after the full period?

Please give your valuable advice.

Rgds.


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