I am not coming to Canada, No no - Coming Now!
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Dear All,

The most awaited day, for which I waited for 3 years came in my life and I WAS NOT HAPPY. I got the waiver on 18th June. Let me list out the reasons,

1 Canadiandesi.com, after reading so many posts I came to know about the reality prevailing at this time.

2 My family, I do not want my family to be broken. My parents are above 70 now and I am the only son.

3 My present financial & professional status in India. I and my wife both work in the booming finance sector in India and the joint income is touching almost 8 lakhs P.A. Net take home comes to almost 55 K.

Let me tell you, I do wish to see the world, earn more money and face new challenges, BUT NOT AT THE COST OF MY PRESENT. I live in PRESENT and I feel, that is stronger in my case then any other ambitions.

I gave myself 5 options, and after analyzing each and every minute thing attached, I finally selected the 4th option. And that means I am not coming to Canada for settlement.

Here are the 5 options

1 We both Go there, wind up everything here, do part time jobs, study further and start struggling to settle. And most importantly pray to god, that within these 2/3 years, nothing should happen to my family members (major health issues), otherwise, we would have to come back and would ultimately result in to major financial and TIME LOSS.

2 My wife continues here, I reach Canada, do the same thing without her and try calling her after I settle. And then family members can start coming on visitor visas till we reach to a stage of sponsoring them).

3 Completely forget the project and firmly accept to stay in India and grow further. I would even save some 2 lakhs, which is required to be paid before leaving (Rs. 67300 (RCMP) + 65500 (AGENT fees) + 60000 (AIR TICKEST). These two lakhs can once again enable us to re-gain the Indian luxuries like car/ac etc..(I SOLD MY CAR ETC..To cope up with the project's fund requirement).

4 Fourth, which I thought to be more intense one right now, i.e. I go there for 15/20 days alone, take my PR and reach back India. I had long discussions with my boss and leaves up to 20/30 days should not be a problem. With this we would loose 162800 (except my wife's air ticket everything is same as above), but we will take that as investment for future. Because with PR holding, in future I am keeping the option open, or our kids can have their future option open. At least the doors would not be closed for us for ever. After reaching back, we would re-engage ourselves with our Indian work routine and start saving for future. If I do not get what I should be after 2/3 years in my growth path here, at least I can re-open the option of Canada.

5 "We both go together, get the PR, I come back and resume in my duties. My wife stays back with her cousin and start looking for a job (I am yet to check the technicality involved, as whether Principal applicant can come back without SPOUSE). Because at least one positive factor in majority, I have found that females do get jobs fast. If she can sustain for a period of 6 months, I can then join her with more savings. This is a reverse scene then point - 2, but the advantage is that the bigger part of current income is continued. Only my wife's salary loss would take place ,which can be easily replaced by her any part time call centre or banking job in Canada.


Finally I selected the no. 4 option and that too, we both would go in APRIL - 2005 for 20 days and come back with PR. Hence we would have our 5 years clock beginning from 2005. I could have gone alone right now, but when we have an opportunity then why we should not go together for 20 days on a vacation and come back.

I thought of sharing this, as I know there are so many like me in the queue. I seek your valued inputs now, whether you agree/endorse to my decision or not.

Regards,

VJ


And now I changed my decision:


I know, this is going to catch a huge FIRE. But yes, today at this moment I have no doubt whatsoever, that "I AM COMING TO CANADA". I know lot of people (more then 6000 views to my earlier post of NOT COMING TO CANADA), would react in different ways. Some will say, Kya ho gaya, pahele na bolta tha, why he is coming, or some will say, aa gaya na line pe?

But, that’s the way it is. So many things I wrote in my replies about justifications at each step of my decision. But since few days, it’s been a battle of lot of thoughts. Lot of reality based factors. Lot of professional factors. However the reason remains the same as I once again repeat, I always go on three factors "STHAL (PLACE), "SANJOG (CIRCUIMSTANCE) and SAMAY (TIME).

Why I am coming (On personal factors)

I still remember a scene of a Hindi movie called "Dilwale Dulhaniya le jayenge", it was ANUPAM KHER, the father talking to SHAHRUKH KHAN, the son. Shahrukh khan requests Anupam that he wants to go to EUROPE for vacation and first he says no. But listening that the SON decides not to go, he immediately says nahi "TUJE EUROPE JARUR JANA HAI, APNE LIYE NAHI TO MERE LIYE, TUJE MERI JAWANI JINI HAI".

The point is sometimes, one generation has to sacrifice for many more to come. It happens actually, especially in our Indian culture. My father was a simple, small-time Govt. servant. Daily in the morning he used to paddle his HERO CHAMP (I remember the moped name) and slowly at the speed of 30 KPH, he would reach his office and in the evening, I used to wait for him and see him coming back in the same tilted way of sitting on the moped. He worked for 37 long years at the same place. He did manage to bring us up. I had a 100 % physically handicapped sister, who recently died. I have other 2 sisters, who got married within the last 3 years. He got retired in 92 and I had to take over, and that too without completing my Graduation. I could do only a small DIPLOMA. SO today I am once again like my father making two ends meet.

So when I used to see that 3rd or 4th page of my passport since last few days with a WHITE STMAP on it, written as "CANADA VISA", I used to do a lot of SELF TALK. What should I do for my next generation to come? I think I am fighting for myself right now, not for my future generations to come. We owe a lot to the coming world. What I feel is every person, who is the bread winner of his family must have a progressive thinking. Progressive is like X+1 (with a vision of next 2 generations). THE BOTTOMLINE IS I WANT TO CREATE A VERY STRONG UNBREAKABLE PLATFORM FOR MY FAMILY MEMBERS (MY KIDS, MY SISTER’S KIDS AND OTHERS) BY EARNING MORE IN A PLACE LIKE CANADA.

Why I am coming (On professional factors)

Recently I got promoted and I came to kutch. I am always attached to a place called BHUJ, which is my native. Somehow after the earthquake and after my survival from the earthquake (as me and my wife do not want to remember the date 26th Jan, I am not writing much about the experience), I took a decision of coming to KUTCH. Now the place for the base station is GANDHIDHAM. And let me tell you its one of the most horrible places I have ever experienced in my life, DUST, POILLUTION, TRANSPORT, WATER, ELECTRICTY PROBLEM, LANGUAGE, MENTALITY OF PEOPLE what not…I generally fit my self in any condition. But this town makes me crazy. Can you believe every night when you finally sleep after a hectic work schedule of 14 hours, Electricity goes off for 3,4,5 hours. My wife and I literally do not sleep. I work in a private insurance company as a branch manager with income more then 6 lakhs P.A and my wife is an ASST MANAGER with a bank earning more then 2.5 lakhs P.A. Can you believe with this kind of income, we can live a king-size life. BUT THIS PLACE CALLED GANDHIDHAM IS NOTHING FOR US. You can’t even breathe well. I can't leave being a senior before 2 years.

So that’s the story so far, I know I may have lot of reactions from you all, but my decision is final now “I AM COMING, NOT FOR THE PRESENT BUT FOR THE FUTURE”

I would surely contribute further on this. I wanted to convey my feeling and the decision, hence I have not written full.


VJ



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VJ   
Member since: Mar 04
Posts: 441
Location: Mississauga-Canada

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 05-10-04 01:45:01

My Dear friend OneIsACrowd,

Aap kahan the?...There are some 6500 members viewed the thread. Koi baat nahin.."DER AYE DURUST AYE"... Welcome to my so-called negative thread. Sometimes I go back to my post and try to read it again and again and try to make a feel, that whether it really conveys negativity? I am a man who has only one asset, i.e. POSITIVE ATTITUDE, and how come my post leaves such an impression?

To reply your concern, let me tell you, it is people like me, who share the inner part of their heart, mind whatever, while going through the 3/4 years of journey (till one gets VISA). What I have done is "JUST SHARED WHAT I THOUGHT AT THAT POINT OF TIME" and time and again I have mentioned in this thread and in other posts, that I go on three "SA" (Pronounce Gujarati), "STHAL", "SANJOG" ane "SAMAY". I mean three factors, "PLACE", "CIRCUIMSTANCE" and "TIME". What I believe is you can't plan everything in your life. My dear friend it’s not easy for a human to convey his final bottom-line for any project like this. It’s not a joke. It’s a question of life. It was 27th July I had written that “I am not coming to Canada”, that does not mean it may stay forever. In fact few of my friends in CD only knows I have been learning/surveying a lot in parallel about Canadian conditions etc.. if I plan to come to Canada. That does not mean I am not doing good in India or India is bad. If I leave India in future, it would not be because INDIA is bad, but It may be because “CANADA IS GOOD for ME” on the basis of one of the above 3 factors. In reverse if I don’t come to Canada, it does not mean that CANADA IS BAD. It is because INDIA is GOOD for me at that time.

What’s wrong in that? “HAR INSAAN KO WAQT KE SATH CHALNA HOTA HAI. YOU CAN”T BE SAME FOR EVER”.

See friend, why I am going away from this word “PLANNING” now, do you know?.. Let me tell you, I am one of those lucky survivors, who have seen death dancing in front of him in the horrible EARTHQUAKE of Gujarat. Yes, just due to few seconds I could save my self and I saw thousands dying in seconds in front of me (may be one day I will share my ANUBHAV on that 26th JANUARY day). So our friend OTTAWA-NERD ka sentence hai na (I always like that)..”PLANNING BLANNING HO GAI BORING, BOTTLE KHOLING DARU POURING”…Yeh hi hakikat hai. Uparwale ne ek mauka diya hai INSAAN banke jineka..let’s live like that. Koi bhi Bhumi ho, kya farak padta hai.

See the word Research for an immigration project should not be a restricted, I mean you will have to keep on updating yourself with each and every stage. Its like research before applying, research after filing papers, research in the mid-way and research at the end after getting the VISAs, your research will be of a different nature everytime. So to correct yourself, it was not like what you have mentioned, “Without research I planned” and then said I am not coming. I am trying to keep both things apart. One’s decision is driven with one’s life, how it changes the colors at different levels. Its all about, Gujarati jante ho?..there is a saying “PADE AVI DEVAY”…I mean “you will fight as it comes”.

As far as my kind of people slowing down embassy’s process, I really can’t say. I mean it’s a possibility existing in the system, that’s why people go back to their home country. If it were not there, no body would have thought about it. So is it my fault or it is an available feature of the immigration system?…

Rest, I really do not know, whether I have been able to convey what I wish to. But “AGE AGE DEKHO HOTA HAI KYA”… SHAYAD HUM BHI KOI CD MEETING MAIN KHADE HOKE APNA CONTRIBUTION DETE HO..kise pata hai… (sorry BL, for CAPS writing maaf karna thoda bhai ko highlite karke bataya…)

Bye for now…and keep in touch…

Rgds,

VJ.



email2sanjivk   
Member since: Feb 04
Posts: 4
Location: LONDON, UK

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 01-12-04 05:32:34

dear VJ

ur decision is very right to a lot of extent; could u pls send me ur direct email id so that i can share some of my experiences directly also with you and they could be a bit longish thats why not that enthu to post on canadiandesi website and am sure i can help u to know more how to tackle this situation from my viewpoint .

bye
sanjiv

E MAIL



VJ   
Member since: Mar 04
Posts: 441
Location: Mississauga-Canada

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 01-12-04 05:52:37

Hi email2sanjivk,

I was surprised to see a post to this very old thread. I felt like, someone removed the dust from an old book found.

Before replying to you, I would suggest to read my own thread named "I AM COMING TO CANADA". However you can PM me for your other concerns and queries.

Regards,

VJ



ashish30   
Member since: Jan 04
Posts: 298
Location: US

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 17-12-04 10:23:36

I dont know why you changed your decision and under what circumstances but i would like to say is that i have the same situation as you , i am sitting in US and going back next year to India, I have my parents in India and whenever they ask me Son how are you? and tell me that they were sick for sometimes, it brings tears to my eyes..All their life they spent so much energy time and money for us to make us something..Noone wants to be a hurdle in our way, Our parents also want us to go places , see the world make money but i think we owe them something, if that can be attained in India then why not do it.

Again its my personal opinion, Swear or Curse its all mine!!


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Interceptor   
Member since: Jun 04
Posts: 172
Location: Missisauga

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 17-12-04 11:41:37

Quote:
Orginally posted by ashish30

I dont know why you changed your decision and under what circumstances but i would like to say is that i have the same situation as you , i am sitting in US and going back next year to India, I have my parents in India and whenever they ask me Son how are you? and tell me that they were sick for sometimes, it brings tears to my eyes..All their life they spent so much energy time and money for us to make us something..Noone wants to be a hurdle in our way, Our parents also want us to go places , see the world make money but i think we owe them something, if that can be attained in India then why not do it.

Again its my personal opinion, Swear or Curse its all mine!!




Yes, AHISH,

I fully agree with you!!!

But You could have sponsored your parents ......so that everybody can live happily.....in so called ABROAD.


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Garvo Gujarati   
Member since: Nov 01
Posts: 3116
Location:

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 17-12-04 12:26:58

I am locking this thread.

If you would like to discuss this please do it so on

http://www.canadiandesi.com/read.php?TID=5470

As VJ explained there why he changed his mind and coming here.


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A Proud Indian Canadian



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