Hi ,

I have landed at Canada and still to migrate finally. I am unable to understand something .Kindly throw light as per ur undrstanding. In India an average Engineer @ the age of 30+ would be drawing something like INR 30K+ pm . (Despite all the population pressure v have) .In that salary hes able to live a decent n dignified life in his own culture n people.

The same guy upon migrating to Canada struggles for 3 years doing odd jobs like salesman / labour etc & just about to sustain himself . I know I am going wrong somewhere but I am unable to finger the pulse . Why is it so that if Canada offers better life it is unable to absorb the technical professonal unlike a third world country like India . I am myself due to come over finally but wondering about the the underlying reasons for such a dismall scenario.

Manasvi

May be because they have more professional people than they need. May be they need thousand engineers and have one lakh engineers present. First preference is given to Canadians with Canadian education and Canadian work experience.

I think they can change the point system so as to reflect the original job scenario over here but they will not probably do it. When you do not have jobs for a particular field why give them points? Maybe they need educated, English speaking labour!

The only way out seems to be to get some sort of education or practical training course(like welder, machine operator) in Canada which will at least pay you over what general labour ($8 to 10/hour)gets!

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they want a polished labour, where they don't have difficuties communicating with the labourers as well as absorbing them into canadian culture society...i hear a lot of backbiting that we desis stay in our own clusters..but they have not gone into reasoning why we do so...

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kathiawadi

yes I agree
Canada , basically is aLabour Country. They want not polished but may be educated labour and when they say educated , does not mean that you should be college graduate or univ grad.....all you must be that 'do you speak english?'......if ans is yes.....you are in!........the moment you land here and you happen to see a GORA or KALA and if you speak English, they would aks (and not ask)you: when did u come to Canada?YOU SPEAKGOOD ENGLISH!!!! WHERE DID YOU LEARN IT?
They want their labour to understand their instructions (of course in English),verbal or written...............

I do not think that the answer is so simple. It is rather complex and I feel a good economist will be able to explain the same. But as a finance professional, I have till now been able to think of some reasons which might or might not be true.

However, the first reason is - why they need people to migrate to their country atall. Presently there are 3 countries who actively promote migration into their country - Canada, Australia and New Zealand. As I could understand, these countries are big in land mass (except New Zealand - but that too is not densely populated) with a lot of natural resources but not enough people to exploit them, nor to consume them. Mass productions are an offshoot of mass consumption, and mass production brings economies of scales. And hense, they need more people to consume what they are capable of producing.

In today's economy, while they need people, they need both skilled workers (in different vocations) as well as academically educated people. The reason is that they find that a skilled labour will be able to earn a living straight away, and an educated person who has achieved some standard in life, will usually not be a burden to the country and be able to survive hardships. Changing the economy of a country, especially as wide as Canada, can take a full generation or more. WE happen to be unfortunate people upon whose shoulders is the task to take Canada into next phase of economic developement - we are presently simply adding to the numbers and creating a demand, which in a few years, say a decade or so, will lead to addition in a big way to exploitation of natural resources, both for local consumption and exports.

Moreover, getting new immigrants is not only adding to the population which is badly needed - it brings revenues and capital inflows. Based on an average fee of about $1000 per person, and an average capital inflow of $25,000 per family, one can imagine how much revenue is generated and money brought into Canada. (The yearly target is bringing in about 300,000 persons every year!)

To add insult to the injury, the world economy has changed drastically after the bursting of dot com bubble and 9/11. In the 90s, those educated people who migrated, got jobs easily (or definitely without the struggle that we have seen in last three years).

The above are some of the reasons why it is not easy for any educated immigrant to easily get a job of his liking here in Canada and to overcome that employers use the phrase \\\"Canadian Experience\\\" - but yes, if you are in a field which is badly needed here (like Oracle implementation of latest versions or a strong combination of finance and IT), new immigrants are seen to get good jobs soon after landing!

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Chandresh

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Though do do not believe like some of the above posters that Canada is a 'Labour Country' ...whatever that is. I do agree that Immigrants are badly needed to make this a viable country from the economic standpoint. Also one more addition to Chandreshs observations. Highly qualified immigrants bring with themselves a treasure trove of many years of learning and experience, on which the Canadian govt. has not had to spend any money on. This is one more reason why its a good bargain for Canada to get such people here.

to the original posters question. Like you mentioned after the first 3 years things do get better. If you think of it most people in Canada put themselves through school/university by doing odd jobs on the side. How many of us have had to do that back home? Not many. So once we get here we get to do it the Canadian way . I know that those initial tough times have contributed a lot to building my character and would not want it any other way. It also gave me the confidence that i could survive even if I loose a good job. Did I think the same 6 yrs ago? No way!!!

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I am a new immigrant that have moved in this country.I respect and admire this country and its southern neighbour who they draw greatly from but resent to admit it !! for the sheer will power and visioanry insight into trasnforming this continet into something more than anything else in the history of mankind.All this was done by taking the experiences of people who have migrated from the "old world" europe mostly .The current migration trend is more geared towards asians as simply because of the population numbers in them.As has been noted in the beginning our country and emerging economies are giving good opprtuniteis and is not bad as it was before .the time europe took to catch with america didn't exsist with japan and will be further reduced with india and china .So is this new found financial and social changes in the asian "so called" giants.But to be honest India is too far behind and the steps are too slow,and agin can't say those steps are steady as can be seen in different policy descions .The market is emerging and now the people in India can be compared like something to that of the 50's generation of US .
The middle class of US and other developed economies have come a long way and have matured thus the distribution of wealth as seen now is more or less concentrated and the prsopect of fruther growth in these segments is lesser.Not to mention the declining the population growth .How to counter that ?? yes immigration is the answer and they aim for th best in developing countries .The people the avergae joe in these countries in my opinion are very much like in a vice like grip of endless debts and responsibilites and they don't see what the economiy is other than how their investments will stand that too mostly with the advice of some "fool" who claims to be best in investment practises. Some times i feel the rate at which consumerism in going in our country we are going to have more debt in society more faster than north americans for the sheer financial problems unique to us ..festivals ,marriages etc etc.
So keep in mind before anyone migrate developed countries have been developed for the past 40 years and have stopped "development" in the true sense of it .WHat we are seeing is nothing but speculation and speculation the names change but the character is the same .Come here but always keep that in mind that if it is making money your priority this continet has nothing much to offer at the moment ..and that is the pure fact .BUt standrad of living etc etc it again depends on culture and personal preferences .
But yes one thing is for sure you and anyone who has the time to enjoy will be these : lesser pollution,concerned public establishment and better rule of law and lesser discrimnation .all the factors are in respect to with what our subcontinet is offering at the moment and the way how things stand now i don't see much change in the foreseeable future ..in the way how thing move in india,not int the media and general sense of elation bu the ground reality i would prefer canadian way of life anyday.
PS: but yes i am canadian of indian origin