Hey guys/gals ... I know you are trying to help...but from the replies of people it also could be that we are being a bit overzealous? Maybe telling people in a different way would help? I know that people should read earlier posts but since we are the ones trying to help and make our opinions heard(and registered), we could be a little more patient with the first timers?
I am afraid that if we come on too strong people will be intimidated to post and we'll become a victim of our own success. What's the point of having a site where only very few post?
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Orginally posted by Ekta_Deven
Dear GC
I am not at all confident on getting IT job on landing, and i am
ready to do any kind of job that will earn me bread and butter.
what I meant was I am software engineer and i don't have any skill
to communicate with people and convince them except programming.
And PLEASE enough of this types of remark for any enthu desi who is
seeking for your Advice, After every two or three post I read such
Comments. Sorry if i sounded rude but its TRUE.
Hi Ekta,
Two things:
1. I did not know French is spelled Frech in French! One can never be sure about other language. ...............just kidding.
2. More than the need to learn French, in this country you need to learn to converse in a pleasent manner (you gotta say - "that was awesome" - even if you know any moron could have done that job), and show that you have confidence in you even if you do not know a thing about the subject .....
like you could have put your comment in a different manner, say like:
"I am fully aware that due to my lack of Canadian experience, I might not be able to get mainstream job in my field which is software, but I am ready to prove my abilities to the local employers that even though I am a software engineer, I am capable of convincing people either in person or on phone, or atleast I am willing to learn those skills......."
Maybe j3d and CPM and BL can give you a refined version of the above paragraph in English since they all have better command over the language than me, but I hope they will all agree to the point I am trying to make.
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Chandresh
Advice is free – lessons I charge for!!
Location: Toronto, ON, Canada
Posted on: 27-11-03 00:19:17
Chandresh, I admire your cool reply.
One of our enthu desi had previously asked "What is the best white collar job avaliable in toronto" So what do we reply?? David Miller just got one
Jake says "we could be a little more patient with the first timers?"
OK done deal.
we are here to help,right.
We should not mind narrating the same episode over and over.
I feel that other than discussing the same sterotype queries, we should come out with more ideas.
Our Chorbhai just came up with "Voluntary jobs" and how they can lead to FT perm..............such ideas/discussions would offer more alternatives for landed desis. Some other member wanted to know if desis in India can upgrade their skills(other than Eng/Francais) so that they get a better paid "odd" job in Canada.
comments??
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Orginally posted by guju_canadien
Ekta, let me repeat the facts again as repeated over 100 times by other senior members on this board.
For any IT prof or other prof, there are 3 alternatives on landing
#1........try for a job in your field, if failed
#2.........try for odd jobs(call centre/factory labor,etc...)
#3.........if loaded, sit back and upgrade your skills
Some desis try combo #2&3, but find it difficult. Again depends on your family situation. Some Top desi profs on
this board have narrated their experience of labor jobs.....at the end of day you land up physically and mentally
exhausted and it's dead end for you.
Call centres are of different types. inbound, outbound and both.
Telemarketing is outbound which kindda sucks but some find it better than factory jobs.
Inbound call centres offer technical, financial, general service depending on the company. Tech support jobs pay
$15-20, bilingual french gets more. It is not difficult to learn phone manners or improve listening/verbal skills.
This kind of job can lead you to a full-time perm position and also gives opportunity to explore jobs in your field
in the same company.
Now tell me Ekta, if you don't get IT job at first shot, would you try out your muscles at factories or sit in
front of PC in an office and do some techy stuff??
It's your call now
Dear guju_canadien
I would have really appreciated your answer if you have written Above text in the Posts #232. (i appreciate it now also)
After reading canadiandesi.com for more then six month i am very well aware that any new imigrants will
not get job in their respective field and it is not easy to get labor job also.
And that is why i have asked about french language if it is considered in my Cv if not canadian Experiance.
The conclusion from all above answers i got is I have to be fluant in french, otherwise half knowledge will not help me,
and if by chance i get master in french then also i have to learn phone manners or improve listening/verbal skills.
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Orginally posted by jake3d
Hey guys/gals ... I know you are trying to help...but from the replies of people it also could be that
we are being a bit overzealous? Maybe telling people in a different way would help? I know that people should read
earlier posts but since we are the ones trying to help and make our opinions heard(and registered), we could be a
little more patient with the first timers?
I am afraid that if we come on too strong people will be intimidated to post and we'll become a victim of our own
success. What's the point of having a site where only very few post?
my 2 paisas (how much is it worth anyway
Dear jake3d
I wanted to tell Exectly what you have written, Please give quinine tablets with sugar quoting.
one more thing i Noted down is from the post of chandresh that learn to converse in a pleasent manner.
once again thanks to you all for your reply.
Regards
Ekta
Hi Ekta,
Being a software engineer myself, let me jump into the fray as well and add my two cents. It is true that the Canadian market is a tough nut to crack and I'm sure you've read several posts to that effect. However based on what I've seen so far, if you're in software, your chances of getting a "field job" are relatively higher than those of civil/mechanical engineers, accountants et al. I use the word "relatively" with much caution since there are a lot of other factors that come into play as well.
But generally speaking, you're a bit better off. One big advantage of being in IT is you don't need to undergo a certification process here to practise in your profession. Also qualifications like MCSE/SD, CCNA/IE etc etc. are universal enough such that it does not matter where you obtain them. They may not guarantee you a job but they do make your resume more attractive to potential employers and help you secure interviews at least.
Also, I feel that the IT market (and the job market in general) is slowly recovering from that knock-out punch it received in 2000/2001. The general sense is that frozen corporate wallets are gradually thawing and IT spending is on the rise.
Regarding French, it is a big asset to have that on your resume, even if you're in development. It does give you an edge. But I agree with CPM that you cannot learn anything useful in 30 days, you really do have to immerse yourself in it. I think you need much more time than a month to be able to converse in French.
Last but not least, that "enthu" thing you mention is VERY IMPORTANT. Your state of mind is what comes across in interviews and I'm sure you'd rather this be super-positive. So if you're "enthu" right now, you've made a great start, keep it up. Good luck and if you have any IT-specific questions, let me know.
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Orginally posted by BlueLobster
Hi Ekta,
Last but not least, that "enthu" thing you mention is VERY IMPORTANT. Your state of mind is what comes across in interviews and I'm sure you'd rather this be super-positive. So if you're "enthu" right now, you've made a great start, keep it up. Good luck and if you have any IT-specific questions, let me know.
Thanks BL
As and When I will have any IT-specific doubt I will deffinately
communicate with you.
Ekta
It is French...not Frech
