Is there a GOD?


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DAKSHA   
Member since: Mar 04
Posts: 34
Location: toronto

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 21-11-05 07:52:32

I recently came across a nice post.The bottom part (Eienstein etc.)may not be true
but he post is worth reading.Here it goes....


An atheist professor of philosophy - An incident

An atheist professor of philosophy speaks to his class on the problem science has with God, The Almighty. He asks one of his new students to stand and...

Prof: So you believe in God?
Student: Absolutely, sir.

Prof: Is God good?
Student: Sure.

Prof: Is God all-powerful?
Student : Yes.

Prof: My brother died of cancer even though he prayed to God to heal him. Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill. But God didn't. How is this God good then? Hmm?

(Student is silent.)

Prof: You can't answer, can you? Let's start again, young fella. Is God good?
Student :Yes.

Prof: Is Satan good?
Student : No.

Prof: Where does Satan come from?
Student : From...God...

Prof: That's right. Tell me son, is there evil in this world?
Student : Yes.

Prof: Evil is everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything. Correct?
Student : Yes.

Prof: So who created evil?
(Student does not answer.)

Prof: Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things exist in the world, don't they?
Student :Yes, sir.

Prof: So, who created them?
(Student has no answer.)

Prof: Science says you have 5 senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Tell me, son...Have you ever seen God?
Student : No, sir.

Prof: Tell us if you have ever heard your God?
Student : No , sir.

Prof: Have you ever felt your God, tasted your God, smelled your god? Have you ever had any sensory perception of God for that matter?
Student : No, sir. I'm afraid I haven't.

Prof: Yet you still believe in Him?
Student : Yes.

Prof: According to empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says your GOD doesn't exist. What do you say to that,
son?
Student : Nothing. I only have my faith.

Prof: Yes. Faith. And that is the problem science has.
Student : Professor, is there such a thing as heat?

Prof: Yes.
Student : And is there such a thing as cold?

Prof: Yes.
Student : No sir. There isn't.

(The lecture theatre becomes very quiet with this turn of events.)

Student : Sir, you can have lots of heat, even more heat, superheat, mega heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat. But we
don't have anything called cold. We can hit 458 degrees below zero which is no heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold. Cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it.

(There is pin-drop silence in the lecture theatre.)

Student : What about darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as darkness?
Prof: Yes. What is night if there isn't darkness?

Student : You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light.... But if you have no light constantly, you have nothing and it's called darkness, isn't it? In reality, darkness isn't. If it were, you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn't you?

Prof: So what is the point you are making, young man?

Student : Sir, my point is your philosophical premise is flawed.
Prof: Flawed? Can you explain how?

Student : Sir, you are working on the premise of duality. You argue there is life and then there is death, a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, science can't even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view death
as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life: just the absence of it. Now tell me, Professor. Do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?

Prof: If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, yes, of course, I do.

Student : Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?
(The Professor shakes his head with a smile, beginning to realize where the argument is going.)

Student : Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an
on-going endeavour, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you not a scientist but a preacher?
(The class is in uproar.)

Student : Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the Professor's brain?
(The class breaks out into laughter.)

Student : Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor's brain, felt it, touched or smelled it?.....No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain, sir. With all due respect, sir, how do we then trust your lectures, sir?
(The room is silent. The professor stares at the student, his face unfathomable.)

Prof: I guess you'll have to take them on faith, son.

Student : That is it, sir. The link between man & god is FAITH. That is all that keeps things moving & alive.

Do you know who the student is. ??...
That young man was ALBERT EINSTEIN......



dimple2001   
Member since: Apr 04
Posts: 2873
Location: Western Hemisphere

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 21-11-05 11:23:07

Good one.

There is a big debate and even lawsuits in the US over \"Intelligent Design\" as an alternate theory to Darwin's evolution and few are forcing thro' lawsuits that Intelligent Design must be taught in schools along with and/or instead of, evolution.

\"Intelligent Design\" says that the creation is so complex that a higher power (God, maybe..) must have been involved in the creation, as opposed to the \"simpler\" form of evolution.

Anyway, I guess when people treat faith and science as one and the same, we got problems. There was an editorial in TIME magazine about this and it was quite interesting.


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macman   
Member since: Apr 05
Posts: 44
Location:

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 21-11-05 17:18:08

Has anyone read the word COLD, DARKNESS in ANY science book?

FYI Einstein was also not a strong believer himself (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einstein)



seenappa   
Member since: May 03
Posts: 254
Location: Brampton

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 21-11-05 17:18:20

Quote:
Orginally posted by DAKSHA


Prof: I guess you\\\\'ll have to take them on faith, son.

Student : That is it, sir. The link between man & god is FAITH. That is all that keeps things moving & alive.

Do you know who the student is. ??...
That young man was ALBERT EINSTEIN......





This is how the above conversation would play on CanadianDesi.com:

Canadian desi guy after 2 years in canada: has it been more than 2 years since u landed in canada?
New Immigrant(NI): : yes.

CD: hav\\\\'nt u applied for every job, big and small in this time?
NI: yes.

CD: have u found a job?
NI: NO!!!!

CD: has the govt of canada helped u in any way?
NI: NO!! NO!!

CD: do you still believe that govt of canada exists?
NI: No!! NO!! No way in hell!!

CD: But you are on CD typing about govt of canada??
NI: yes...whats your point?

CD: well, my dear chap.that is called faith. you dont see the govt, you dont find them working for you...But, you still have faith that Govt works for you and will take care of you......:D :D :D

just my 2 cents...

seenappa




dimple2001   
Member since: Apr 04
Posts: 2873
Location: Western Hemisphere

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 21-11-05 21:12:36

CD: well, my dear chap.that is called faith. you dont see the govt, you dont find them working for you...But, you still have faith that Govt works for you and will take care of you......


:) :) :)


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