Posted on: 21-07-05 15:57:25
Ok well , its representative of India's history with regards to the caste problem . Actually caste runs very very deep in North India even today. Obviously the above action was extreme, but one doesnt need to blind someone to express hatred. there are very many subtle ways, especially those who hold more power.
Thats how the world would see it, subconciously.
Overtly one can try reason your way out, but deep down you know its true.
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I think we have to differ on this.
I'll put it in other words...
Is blowing up people part of 'Islamic culture'?
Are burning of muslims 'hindu culture'?
Aerial bombings 'christian' or 'western' culture?
Jake though I agree with your point, your post made me think why you particularly chose some action with particular community. Would your question carry the same weight if it were put as say:
Is blowing up people part of 'Hindu culture'?
Are burning of muslims 'western' culture'?
Aerial bombings 'islamic' culture?
Or any other combination of the act and the community. It wouldn't make much sense, don't you think so?
Chandresh
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Or any other combination of the act and the community. It wouldn't make much sense, don't you think so?
Chandresh
True it would not. I'm using recent exceptions to the norm to highlight a point....that exceptions are not the norm.
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Thats how the world would see it, subconciously.
I'm probably not part of that world. or are you saying you know how i think subconciously?
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what is '?
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I'm probably not part of that world. or are you saying you know how i think subconciously?
Not sure about you.
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Overtly one can try reason your way out, but deep down you know its true.
what is '?
Well, where there is smoke there is fire.
Things just dont happen. There are very good reasons.
What i meant was that reasoning by way of idealism is fake. In the end what brings us closer are economic reasons, and not groups of people suddenly liking each other.
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Not sure about you.
but the statement below does not support the one above. From what you write it looks like you have me all figured out
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What i meant was that reasoning by way of idealism is fake.
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Well, where there is smoke there is fire.
Things just dont happen. There are very good reasons.
here we go 'reasons' again
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But the statement below does not support the one above. From what you write it looks like you have me all figured out
Dont worry ,its not about one person I am talking about. More of a group behaviour. The group like an individual has a subconcious which reacts differently. A person at an individual level may react with full of idealistic reasoning to a terrorist bombing, but at a group level it is quite different. In comes things like group survival, economy, media repeating it 100,000 times and everytime with the word "Islam" or "muslim". But 1000 members from that community get together to frame policy and it all changes. The idealism and introspection quickly evaporates in favor of more express concerns, in favor of guarded but stern or even unguarded (as after 911) action against the "evil" and "all that causes it". "we must do this" , "we must not allow them to win", etc are heard over and over again.
The event definetly reflects on India. Think of it, the people may not have thought of blinding the Guy (maybe verbally abusing him) had there not been tacit support of the the village machinery (panchayat), the state (police) and politicians (both part of state and society). So a lot of people are comlicit.
This happend in near the capital city of one of the most populous states in India.
I am not saying all upper caste people will indulge in it. They dont have to. They dont have to do anything before or after the said event, which is exactly what happened. No action was taken.
I meant to use "cause" and nor "reasons" in the above posts. Just correcting it.
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