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Canada from Dream to Nightmare as published in Indian Express




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Orginally posted by DiogenestheCynic

TOI, Indian Express, HT etc are not tabloids!! They are newspapers and respected ones at that.

Please do not be dismsisive of anything and everything that is not aligned with your view.



They may not officially be tabloids, but they do print a lot of junk. Especially the online versions.

The most recent example is how they all rushed to print this kid's story who supposedly aced a NASA test. And then NASA said they never had any test of that sort and all these guys scrambled for damage control. None of these "respected" papers ever thought of confirming anything prior to printing the story.

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Post ID: 50578 14-06-05 12:55:30
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Orginally posted by BlueLobster

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Orginally posted by DiogenestheCynic

TOI, Indian Express, HT etc are not tabloids!! They are newspapers and respected ones at that.

Please do not be dismsisive of anything and everything that is not aligned with your view.



They may not officially be tabloids, but they do print a lot of junk. Especially the online versions.





I would say that all publications in the world print their share of junk, because there are good reporters and bad reporters. So I would closely look at the byline to see who wrote the article and what their track record is. Even Newsweek messed up recently. But one thing is for sure people like Khuswant Singh or Busybee are a dying breed.....

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I dunno who this Harish Dugh is...but he sure looks like a dumb ****...He likes to dabble in everything..from politics to sports to such matters as immigration !
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Orginally posted by BlueLobster

Quote:
Orginally posted by DiogenestheCynic

TOI, Indian Express, HT etc are not tabloids!! They are newspapers and respected ones at that.

Please do not be dismsisive of anything and everything that is not aligned with your view.



They may not officially be tabloids, but they do print a lot of junk. Especially the online versions.

The most recent example is how they all rushed to print this kid's story who supposedly aced a NASA test. And then NASA said they never had any test of that sort and all these guys scrambled for damage control. None of these "respected" papers ever thought of confirming anything prior to printing the story.







And the newspapers that printed the story of the Sikh boy who said whites had called him names and cut off his hair- did these newspapers confirm the story before printing it?
The Toronto Star is not considered a tabloid but did you see a pregnant Britney on the front page not too long ago.?Pure tab stuff.
Every newspaper, even the sedate ones, print some kind of sensationalism. Even the financial mags print scandals in sensational form, which in the days of old was relegated to "yellow" journals.
I am sure many of you have heard the term "yellow" journalism.

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Quote:
Orginally posted by BlueLobster

Quote:
Orginally posted by DiogenestheCynic

TOI, Indian Express, HT etc are not tabloids!! They are newspapers and respected ones at that.

Please do not be dismsisive of anything and everything that is not aligned with your view.



They may not officially be tabloids, but they do print a lot of junk. Especially the online versions.

The most recent example is how they all rushed to print this kid's story who supposedly aced a NASA test. And then NASA said they never had any test of that sort and all these guys scrambled for damage control. None of these "respected" papers ever thought of confirming anything prior to printing the story.







And the newspapers that printed the story of the Sikh boy who said whites had called him names and cut off his hair- did these newspapers confirm the story before printing it?
The Toronto Star is not considered a tabloid but did you see a pregnant Britney on the front page not too long ago.?Pure tab stuff.
Every newspaper, even the sedate ones, print some kind of sensationalism. Even the financial mags print scandals in sensational form, which in the days of old was relegated to "yellow" journals.
I am sure many of you have heard the term "yellow" journalism.

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And the newspapers that printed the story of the Sikh boy who said whites had called him names and cut off his hair- did these newspapers confirm the story before printing it?
The Toronto Star is not considered a tabloid but did you see a pregnant Britney on the front page not too long ago.?Pure tab stuff.
Every newspaper, even the sedate ones, print some kind of sensationalism. Even the financial mags print scandals in sensational form, which in the days of old was relegated to "yellow" journals.
I am sure many of you have heard the term "yellow" journalism.



The Sikh case, was a guy who went across and filed a police complaint. The Sikh community also took up the case, and there are always people in Canada who are waiting to cry racism at the drop of a hat which was what led to the publicity.

The NASA kid story was different. The reporter who broke the story had done absolutely no background work. The fact that NASA never issued a press release, neither did it have any coverage on its website about the examination should have rung alarm bells. If Im not mistaken, even when Chandresh first read the article on this website, he was skeptical..but then the general Indian public is desparate to see stories of Indian successes, so anything goes.

BTW, LSD, your style is very similar to an old contributor to this forum. Are you sure you are a second generation immigrant and a Uof T student? You actually come across as being more middle aged
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Orginally posted by BlueLobster

Quote:
Orginally posted by DiogenestheCynic

TOI, Indian Express, HT etc are not tabloids!! They are newspapers and respected ones at that.

Please do not be dismsisive of anything and everything that is not aligned with your view.



They may not officially be tabloids, but they do print a lot of junk. Especially the online versions.



I do not deny that. We are discussing two separate things here. First was the OP itself where an article from a leading newspaper was quoted.

The second was a response from my2cents calling the newspaper a tabloid.

I first corrected my2cents.

Going back to the OP and the article quoted, regardless of whether that particular story is false or factual, the message behind it cannot be denied.

We who are here, know that there are indeed a large number of first gen immigrants who have got a raw deal in this country. Instead of squabbling about the authenticity of one article, or arguing that newspapers indulge in sensationalism, the idea should be to look at the larger picture.

What the article, and its writer perhaps, wants to convey, is that Canada is not a haven as a lot of people in India think it to be.

I don't think the purpose of the writer is anything more than to sound a cautionary note to those who imagine immigration to this country as an easy way to earn money and enjoy luxuries offered by the western world.

And that is true. Canada is NOT for any and every one! Maynot apply to all, but generally speaking, if you have a reasonably comfortable job back home, perhaps you should stick to it.

If you are on the wrong side of 30, be very careful. Stayput might not be a bad idea.

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If you are on the wrong side of 30, be very careful. Stayput might not be a bad idea.



DC,
This advice is debatable.....

For any prospective immigrant at that age, the number one criteria will be the future of their offsprings.
Families who emigrate with their High School going children, indeed have a sparkling future ahead for their kids in Canada.

As I look around the Universities and high schools, most immigrant children who have early part of their education in their homeland seem to be doing quite well.
Indian, Chinese etc. children in Canada, have been doing brilliantly in all courses, apart from English.

The primary education in their homeland, kind of builds a firm foundation in these kids.
(Middle aged immigrants have this distinct advantage with their children)
This kind of primary education seems to be lacking here.
Although the higher education in N. America is A1.

The future of Canada lies with these immigrant kids as they slowly takeover the leadership and other proffessional positions.
Let us not discourage.

For kids future, I say, late thirties and forties is not too late to emigrate.
Middle age families in excellent health and an adventurous spirit should surely give it a shot.

Sorry to go off the topic.

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The best age to come to Canada is a graduate student. That way you spend your time in Canada and learn abt the customs, mannerisms while staying secluded in an academic enviroment. It is imperative that one get a Canadian education...That itself would solve most of the problems associated with a "Canadian education"...
I agree with DC...other side of 30 is not a nice age to immigrate..(generally)

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The best age to come to Canada is a graduate student. That way you spend your time in Canada and learn abt the customs, mannerisms while staying secluded in an academic enviroment. It is imperative that one get a Canadian education...That itself would solve most of the problems associated with a \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"Canadian education\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"...
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AGREED WITH ABOVE!

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I agree with DC...other side of 30 is not a nice age to immigrate..)


I do not agree.

The high school going children of mature immigrants also adopt much of the above.
With careful parenting, these kids get best of both worlds.
If parents can sacrifice for children. Then in some cases, late 30s and 40s can also be a nice age to immigrate. (for CHILDREN'S FUTURE)

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