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Canada from Dream to Nightmare as published in Indian Express




Click on this link or paste it on your browser to find what Indian Express wrote about Canadian Immigrants in Canada.
http://www.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=48607&headline=Canada:~From~Indian~dreams~to~nightmares

New Delhi, June 11: Far from being the El Dorado of repute, for many immigrants Canada has emerged as a land of unmitigated disaster. From rampant discrimination to hidden booby traps, Indians have been forced into an economic quagmire that has generated despair and dejection.



Wretched tales abound of even highly qualified Indians landing up in Canada, only to find that they don't get the job that their college degrees and experience require, having to instead settle for a dead-end job, even to the extent of being a sweeper with a PhD!

Unfortunately, for those who actually manage to land the job they want, are sometimes paid 80% or even 70% of the amount a white Canadian will be paid for the same work. This is increasingly happening in recent years, signalling that Indians and the rest of Asians are deliberately discriminated against.

While many say that previously most white Canadians were not really highly educated and that is why immigrants from Asia in the 60s, 70s, and 80s were able to bag jobs that were highly lucrative and satisfying, turning Canada into the proverbial land of milk and honey for themselves.

No longer. The International Herald Tribune's Clifford Crauss tells the tale of Gian Sangha who was so desperate for a job that he willingly cut his hair and removed his turban to canvass for employment, even though he was a Sikh.

An environmental scientist, Sangha even had a doctorate from Germany and had taught in US. \"Here in Canada, there is a hidden discrimination,\" Sangha said. He says Canadian institutions have refused to give him jobs sometimes providing excuses that he is over-qualified for the job!

He is suing them for discrimination. To scrape by, he once cut lawns. Now he does clerical work and shares his house with his extended family. It was not supposed to be this way in Canada, which years ago put out a welcome mat to professionals from around the developing world. With a declining birth rate, an aging population and labor shortages in many areas, Canada, a sparsely populated nation, has for decades opened its doors to engineers, health professionals, software designers and electricians.

But the results of this policy have been mixed, for Canada and for the immigrants. Recent census data and academic studies indicate that the incomes and employment prospects for immigrants are deteriorating. Specialists say a growing number of immigrants have returned to their homelands or migrated to the United States. About 25 percent of recent immigrants with university degrees are working at jobs that require only high school diplomas or less, government data show.

However, writes Crauss, the Canadian public continues to support the government's goal of increasing immigration, and relations among ethnic groups are good, though neighbourhoods in some cities are becoming more segregated. But some fear that if opportunities for immigrants do not expand, social cohesion may suffer. \"The existing system is broken,\" said Jeffrey Reitz, a sociologist who studies immigration at the University of Toronto. \"The deteriorating employment situation might mean that Canada will not be able to continue this expansionist immigration program in the positive, politically supported environment that we've seen in the past.\"

Reitz estimates that foreign-educated immigrants earn a total of $2 billion less than an equivalent number of native-born Canadians with comparable skills because they work in jobs below their training levels.

What immigrants may also be up against is a system that refuses to recognise many of the degrees earned by these people back home. It creates the kind of piquant situation where Canada advertises for doctors and nurses abroad, yet refuses to give Indian medics a job in a hospital, because their degrees are not valid here. Thousands are left jobless.

But there is a light at the end of the tunnel, but not for immigrants. Crauss says, the children of immigrants, who enter the job market with Canadian credentials, typically do better at acquiring high-paying jobs. \"We have an arcane infrastructure of professional organizations that essentially mitigate against the immediate integration of these highly skilled immigrants,\" Joe Volpe, the minister of citizenship and immigration

Volpe said he was concerned that news from disappointed job seekers would seep back to their native countries and discourage qualified people from immigrating.

For Sangha it may have become what he says is \"a painful life. I'm angry and frustrated. I never thought it would be like this in Canada.\"

Immigrants find themselves going cold, wet and hungry in a land they had sacrificed everything they owned to reach. Believing they would be treated well, that their willingness to work long and hard even in inhospitable conditions of Canada would bring them wealth, that jobs would be aplenty, these people are now in a situation that is threatening their health and life because of the longstanding nature of their woes.

They can't even go back to India. Some feel ashamed to go back penniless to their families. It would mean that they were not smart enough to do well as the going principle is that, 'In vilayet even monkeys become millionaires'. Others simply can't put together enough money to pay for their ticket.

This trend has increasingly translated into numerous Indian families moving into so-called slum areas of Canadian cities as they increasingly get impoverished.

For these people ebullience has turned into depression and their chance for plenty has transformed into poverty. Many of them have been left scrounging on Canada's unemployment benefits even having to rely on unemployment insurance and welfare, which is anathema to an Indian.

The only thing in all this misery that is making them continue to hold body and soul together are their children. They are expected to do better and achieve the dreams that have been denied to their parents.

Hope, and scant else, is all that these Indians have been left with after travelling tens of thousands of kilometres to a foreign land. They must be ruing the day they decided to get their passport and jet out of India.


 
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Hi,

This article has been posted at least two other places.

http://www.canadiandesi.com/read.php?TID=8891

http://www.canadiandesi.com/read.php?TID=8413&page=28

I will be deleting the duplicates shortly...


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Post ID: 50362 11-06-05 14:07:34
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Amazing how many have jumped to post the same article (what is the count so far? 4, or 5) on this link as soon as this appeared!!

I'm wary of such articles in Indian tabloids like TOI, Indian Express, HT etc.. Have seen enough such articles saying how bad it is abroad, or how many people have chosen to stay back in, or return to India. I don't deny that - after all it's a matter of personal preference, but as many successful Canadian immigrants would attest, it is not as bad as they portray in such tabloids.

I reiterate what many others in CD have said before - don't migrate to Canada just because you're eligible to. After all, any graduate with a few years of work experience is eligible to migrate. Make sure your skills are in demand, and do the homework on what you need to do to get a job in your field and where your chances are best before landing in Canada.

For every unsuccessful immigrant, I would say there are atleast as many or many more successful ones - many who don't even bother posting in Canadian Desi.





 
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start home work from here.....Canadian Desi website
Hi jughead

I totally agree with you.

All would be immigrants MUST do home work in India before coming to Canada. And CANADIAN DESI website is one of the places from where you can start your Home work.

Good Luck to all Would-be immigrants.

PMA.

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I reiterate what many others in CD have said before - don't migrate to Canada just because you're eligible to. After all, any graduate with a few years of work experience is eligible to migrate. Make sure your skills are in demand, and do the homework on what you need to do to get a job in your field and where your chances are best before landing in Canada.

For every unsuccessful immigrant, I would say there are atleast as many or many more successful ones - many who don't even bother posting in Canadian Desi.





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Orginally posted by jughead


I reiterate what many others in CD have said before - don't migrate to Canada just because you're eligible to. After all, any graduate with a few years of work experience is eligible to migrate. Make sure your skills are in demand, and do the homework on what you need to do to get a job in your field and where your chances are best before landing in Canada.






Absolutely true.

I feel it is only some select fields in IT , based on which a person has got good chance of getting job fast.

I also feel that engineering line like Civil, Mechanical, Instrumentation, Electronics are in a bad shape.Even it is difficult for accounts experienced people to get job.

But by the way what fields you or other forum member feel are good and are in demand in canada for immigrants?



 
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For every unsuccessful immigrant, I would say there are atleast as many or many more successful ones - many who don't even bother posting in Canadian Desi.






There can be 1 more version of that sentence and could be true as well.

For every successful immigrant, I would say there are atleast as many or many more unsuccessful ones - many who don't even bother posting in Canadian Desi.

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I reiterate what many others in CD have said before - don't migrate to Canada just because you're eligible to. After all, any graduate with a few years of work experience is eligible to migrate. Make sure your skills are in demand, and do the homework on what you need to do to get a job in your field and where your chances are best before landing in Canada.




Absolutely true.

I feel it is only some select fields in IT , based on which a person has got good chance of getting job fast.

I also feel that engineering line like Civil, Mechanical, Instrumentation, Electronics are in a bad shape.Even it is difficult for accounts experienced people to get job.

But by the way what fields you or other forum member feel are good and are in demand in canada for immigrants?





Well, I don't know which field is in demand in Canada but I am good in hardware and software installation and have good command on windowsxp and 98. Also I have experience of travel agency, I am working in a Travel Agency for 2 years and my main job is to do online reservation of seats. I have done Amadeus courses of reservations.
Amadeus is actually an Spanish based Company and they have their branches in many countries including, Dubai, Muscat and Pakistan.
They provide training of reservation to travel agents around the world where they have their branches so that travel agents can use their reservation systems in their offices and do booking without any hesitation.

I hope this field is in demand in Canada.

Regards,


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DiogenestheCynic
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Quote:
Orginally posted by jughead
I'm wary of such articles in Indian tabloids like TOI, Indian Express, HT etc..



TOI, Indian Express, HT etc are not tabloids!! They are newspapers and respected ones at that.

Please do not be dismsisive of anything and everything that is not aligned with your view.
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I don't deny that - after all it's a matter of personal preference,


What exactly do you mean by that? What is a matter of "personal preference".

It is a FACT that a very large number of immigrants find conditions that are unexpectedly adverse! Where is the matter of "personal preference" in that?

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but as many successful Canadian immigrants would attest, it is not as bad as they portray in such tabloids.


Again they are not tabloids.

The article does not say that conditions are bad for each and every single immigrant. It only highlights the issues faced by a growing number of immigrants.

Successful immigrants attesting to anything does not change the picture. It is true that PhDs are working at jobs way below their qualifications.
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Make sure your skills are in demand,


No skills are in "demand"! IT has an edge over others and but that too is changing soon as the market gets saturated.
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and do the homework on what you need to do to get a job in your field and where your chances are best before landing in Canada.


What homework do you suggest for an engineer?

Ok yeah I can see the "communication skills" and "soft skills" brigade getting ready!:D
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For every unsuccessful immigrant, I would say there are atleast as many or many more successful ones - many who don't even bother posting in Canadian Desi.



It is the opposite that is actually true and mercury has already corrected that. :D

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Quote:
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I'm wary of such articles in Indian tabloids like TOI, Indian Express, HT etc.. Have seen enough such articles saying how bad it is abroad, or how many people have chosen to stay back in, or return to India. I don't deny that - after all it's a matter of personal preference, but as many successful Canadian immigrants would attest, it is not as bad as they portray in such tabloids.


I dont agree with most parts of this post, but anyway those issues are already addressed by other CDs. Own homework is important with open mind.


 
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Why am I not surprised to see your response? :)

OK, I agree that HT, TOI and IE are respected newspapers, but I don't agree with many of their articles and editorials. You're entitled to your opinion as I'm to mine.


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No skills are in "demand"! IT has an edge over others and but that too is changing soon as the market gets saturated.



Really? What are you and I doing here then?



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What homework do you suggest for an engineer?

Ok yeah I can see the "communication skills" and "soft skills" brigade getting ready!:D



Are you sure you didn't do any homework before migrating to Canada? Well, I did mine.

So what would be your advice to the aspiring immigrants who are planning to migrate to Canada? Not to do any homework because it doesn't help anyway? Or everyone just stay put because Canada is no good at all?


Orginally posted by jughead
For every unsuccessful immigrant, I would say there are atleast as many or many more successful ones - many who don't even bother posting in Canadian Desi.



It is the opposite that is actually true and mercury has already corrected that. :D


Is the glass half-empty or half-full? Depends on how you look at it. And BTW, mercury didn't correct that. He has mentioned that there is more than one version which could also be true.



 
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