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A Software Engineer's Worth




xxx
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Member since: Feb 04




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Location: us


Getting 120 -130 even is a exception , You will get it in Big cities if you have a Green Card, and some rare skill like sap ,

Most of the times all desis end up 60 -70k bracket while on H1 , some even less !

It is good to know that you got a opening in less than 6 + months, if you read through this fourm it appears as if there are no jobs in canada ,
so may be you better to stick to what you are doing , and move when you have a good opportunity !


 
Post ID: 49300 27-05-05 12:04:47
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Wham
Junior Desi
Member since: May 05




Posts: 28
Location: Toronto

Thanks
Thanks for your advise.
in fact i am aware that many IT people in Canada donot get job but i also see some people (chandresh,BL,Dio,Ottawa Nerd) in good software job and i think they are all in the 80K to 100K (pls. correct me if i am wrong) and so i was thinking that my present salary might be too low. Anyway, after i got my present job, i was really not keen in moving to another job until the sae the postings in this forum in which some members were in the salary bracket of 80K to 100 K (hey! who is not interested in more money and a good office) and i was really interested to change my job.

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Post ID: 49304 27-05-05 12:11:14
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sudesingh
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Member since: Jul 04




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Wham, Although you initiated this thread, I'd suggest both you and S-S don't go off track and start discussing about where to live. You point was about moving into another job which is better paying, am I correct ? Offcourse at the same time you wanted to move out of Hamilton

DIO has some very valid points. The Provincial Govt. too is a Oracle shop. try them. Go thru some head-hunters. A lot of jobs go unadvertised, exclusive thru them.

Finally, don't compare Canadian pay scales to those of US. Simply 'cause it's not a comparsion of apples n apples.

Good Luck in your job hunt.


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Post ID: 49306 27-05-05 12:19:13
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ThinkingOne
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I agree with sudesingh's point of not comparing US and canadian salaries or hourly rates.

Wham, I understand, if u r in permanent job, then 45k in the starting is fine. If in consulting, probably 1.5 or 1.75 times is fine (Experienced people may correct this figure). Honesty, If I wud hv been given that job when I landed, I wud hv taken it immdtly. However, I see that you mentioned about the steel industry and your manager's current salary. Looking at the growth aspects from your seniors and industry you are in, you may like to look at better avenues. This leads to a change in company/industry after getting sufficient Canadian experience - about 1 year consistently in one place looks good to me.

DIO raised valid points, some people just boast around, due to reasons best known to them and us too.


 
Post ID: 49308 27-05-05 12:35:15
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ThinkingOne
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Quote:
Orginally posted by xxx

Getting 120 -130 even is a exception , You will get it in Big cities if you have a Green Card, and some rare skill like sap ,

Most of the times all desis end up 60 -70k bracket while on H1 , some even less !



Getting 100k+ in permanent job in IT, I too consider that as an exception. Rare skills might be giving you that much, though! You may like to look at those kind of skills. SAP experts may comment more, what is the future, if one gets into SAP field now. Also, what modules gain prominence or importance in different industries, that kind of insight SAP guys may like to share with us.


 
Post ID: 49309 27-05-05 12:38:38
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bhavani
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Member since: May 05




Posts: 16
Location: GTA

Wham
Wham,
Funny name.
You are lucky to have such a good job. stop complaining and be glad that you atleast have a job.
I am from Gujarat and have been here for 6 months. I am Oracle and Java but yet to get a break. I am right now selling credit cards for PC master card.
Hope to get job soon. I will try hard to find a good one.
Any help/ advise appriciated


 
Post ID: 49331 27-05-05 14:59:47
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neerajj
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Member since: Mar 05




Posts: 116
Location: USA

bhavani
Bhavani,
if you are selling credit cards, i need to buy one!!!!!


 
Post ID: 49335 27-05-05 15:08:06
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bhavani
Junior Desi
Member since: May 05




Posts: 16
Location: GTA

Credit Cards
Hi!
You can walk into any loblaws store and often you will find an agent soliciting for credit cards. they change my venue each week and so i canot pin point where i will be exactly. I now work at Jane-Dundas Loblaws. We normally give either free cookies (worth $3) or 3 PC cola products (worth 47 cents each).
The advantage with PC master card is that they will never check your credit history but issue cards with $5,000 credit limit. you have 1% discount which can be redeemed for groceries and other stuff for multiples of $20 only.
hope this will help you


 
Post ID: 49337 27-05-05 15:18:25
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xxx
Desi
Member since: Feb 04




Posts: 61
Location: us


wow , looks like there is a way to get a credit card,
People are complaing that there is no way one can get a Credit card without History ,


 
Post ID: 49340 27-05-05 15:24:37
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DiogenestheCynic
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Member since: Oct 04




Posts: 859
Location: At my desk


Wham

First, I am soooo... curious to know what you were thinking when you decided on that username?? Did u trip and fall like WHAM!! and then came up to sign in to CD? or did someone hit you Whaaam!! when you were registering yourself....what...what?? Please tell! :D

Ok, now coming to your questions. I too am an Oracle Forms/Developer2000/PLSQL person and have been working in Hamilton for quite some time now.

As others have said, it is not appropriate to compare salaries of US and Canada. People certainly make more south of the border, but what purpose does that discussion serve? You are here in Canada. Even if someone makes 120K or 130K in the US that does not change anything here.

About your question on whether your salary at 45K is appropriate or not, the answer is most likely NO.

With 10 years of actual development experience, part of which you say was also in the US, IMHO you should been offered something above 55K at least.

The market for IT, that until now probably held better possibilities of jobs, appears to be getting saturated quite rapidly, especially with the influx of the former H1 visa holders who came to the US during the late 90's boom and but could not manage a green card within the time frame of 6 years.

Salary also follows the standard pattern of any marketeable commodity. High supply, low demand - low salary.

It goes without saying that you should continue to look for better opportunities and obviously not leave the current one until something concrete is available.

You live in Toronto and so I assume you must be commuting everyday. Do you drive or do you take GO transit? That itself must be quite an exhausting exercise, spending more than 3 hours commuting everyday.

Your comment of Hamilton being full of creepy labourers is incorrect.

Perhaps your impression is derived from the area that you go to work. The steel factories are in the industrial part of the city and are not a proper sample. Hamilton is a pretty big town, a big chunk of it being on the Niagara escarpment, what the locals here call as "the mountain". :D Besides, there are quite a few satellite townships, the most popular being Burlington.

If it is around desis that you feel comfortable, Stoney Creek is quite well geared to address that need of yours.

Cost of living in Toronto is much higher and you are likely to save more if you moved.

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