Posted on: 02-11-04 09:41:18
Well those who feel that they don't need a Flu shot.. should not get it.. there is already a scarcity of flu vaccine in the world.. people would be really grateful if you let somebody else have it.. specially in USA.
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The chance of falling ill because of the flu shot is very remote.
No, it is not.
Most people get different types of reactions after getting the shot.
Think about it - someone has just pumped a load of viruses into your body.
What do you think your body is going to to?
It is going to try and fight it, right?
As part of that "fight", your temperature will go up, you will have infections in your ears, etc.
Your body is trying to "de-toxify" itself, but doing it because of unnatural and artificial causes.
Pumping viruses into your body and hoping it builds immunity is stupid at best, and dangerous at worst.
Also, there are another set of people who get even sicker - even endanger their life because their basic immunity has already been weakened by years of neglect.
Vacinnes do nothing to protect you, contrary to what the medical establishment might claim.
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Of course it is going to protect the body from the flu virus. That's what it is meant to do.
There is a world of difference between what it is *meant* to do, and what it actually does.
The CDC itself has admitted several times that vacinnes do not protect you.
Quote:You need to understand the basics of immunity.
First try not to fall sick, and in that the flu shot is useful, and second is not to take strong medication if you do fall sick, in as far as is practicable. The body will build immunity if it is allowed to recover on its own. Falling sick to maintain immunity is not very intelligent.
In most people now-a-days, immunity is severly weakened as a result of years of neglect, such as, bad diet, deficiencies, overuse of antibiotics, depletion of natural benefic bacteria in the gut, etc.
You are simply making things worse by pumping vacinnes into your body every year.
When you get a chance, also trying finding out what those vacinnes actually contain - you'll be surprised - that I promise you.
The extent of your ignorance is spectacularly awesome!! I am speechless!
Do you have reliable references to back your claims/comments??
To fight ignorance and for more information on flu shots please visit:
http://www.health.gov.on.ca/english/public/program/pubhealth/flu/flu_mn.html
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Myth #3 : Getting a flu shot will give me the flu.
Fact : This is simply not true. The vaccine does not contain live virus. Many people confuse the flu with a cold or other respiratory infections. The flu vaccine will not protect you against these illnesses.
Vaccine Side Effects (What to Expect)
Different side effects can be associated with the flu shot and LAIV.
The flu shot: The viruses in the flu shot are killed (inactivated), so you cannot get the flu from a flu shot. Some minor side effects that could occur are:
Soreness, redness, or swelling where the shot was given
Fever (low grade)
Aches
If these problems occur, they begin soon after the shot and usually last 1 to 2 days. Almost all people who receive influenza vaccine have no serious problems from it. However, on rare occasions, flu vaccination can cause serious problems, such as severe allergic reactions.
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Orginally posted by OneIsACrowd
Pumping viruses into your body and hoping it builds immunity is stupid at best, and dangerous at worst.
Also, there are another set of people who get even sicker - even endanger their life because their basic immunity has already been weakened by years of neglect.
Vacinnes do nothing to protect you, contrary to what the medical establishment might claim.
You are simply making things worse by pumping vacinnes into your body every year.
When you get a chance, also trying finding out what those vacinnes actually contain - you'll be surprised - that I promise you.
Are you talking about flu vaccine, or any vaccines???
Do you think, that you will be protected against Polio, Small Pox, Chicken Pox, Hepatitis A & B, Diptheria etc. etc. even without a vaccine?
What about the UNICEF drive for vaccines? Do you think they are stupid? What about the decrease in mortality rate due to all these vaccines? Don't you think, we are at much better position than our ancestors, who had to live only on the mercy of God.
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Pumping viruses into your body and hoping it builds immunity is stupid at best, and dangerous at worst.
Do you think Edward Jennings or Louis Pasteur did something foolish by inventing vaccines?
Better clarify yourself
All of our family (except my son who is 4 months old) took a flu shot the other day when we took our son for his checkup. Prevention is better than cure I guess.
Daks
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Are you talking about flu vaccine, or any vaccines???
Any vaccine, including he flu vaccine.
The cause for the common flu is a weakened immune system.
As I said, most people now-a-days (including myself) have an immune system that is much weaker than what people a few generations back used to have.
Our parents, grandparents and great-grandparents had much better immune systems that we have now.
There were no vaccines during their times, yet they enjoyed much better health than we do.
All the people above the age of 100 today (esp. the Japanese) have never been vaccinated.
Do you think that the Japanese people living in remote villages who are well into their 120s have ever taken flu shots?
Think about it.
Quote:The causes for polio and other nervous system disorders is not the lack of vaccines, but ecotoxins.
Do you think, that you will be protected against Polio, Small Pox, Chicken Pox, Hepatitis A & B, Diptheria etc. etc. even without a vaccine?
The rise in incidence of polio is directly related to the use of ecotoxins.
Read up here:
http://www.westonaprice.org/envtoxins/pesticides_polio.html
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Don't you think, we are at much better position than our ancestors, who had to live only on the mercy of God.
What makes you think that our ancestors were at the "mercy of God".
They knew how to take care of themselves much better than we do today.
They knew the basics of immunity and benefic bacteria in ways that we have no clue about.
If you are right that they were at the mercy of God, then you and I wouldn't be here today.
How do you think human ancestors in all different parts of the globe managed to raise generation after generation of healthy children?
Are we doing the same today?
Think about it....
Quote:Louis Pasteur found a way to pasteurise beer for one of the local producers.
Do you think Edward Jennings or Louis Pasteur did something foolish by inventing vaccines?
It is unfortunate that his name is associated with things he never imagined - like pasteurised milk, for instance.
The reason we pasteurise milk is the same reason we vaccinate ourselves - because we have ruined something that nature produced and are now using artificial means to fix it.
Does this explain anything?
Hi Cynic --
I should be using that name because I am the one who is cynical about your claims for the vaccine !
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The extent of your ignorance is spectacularly awesome!! I am speechless!
Do you have reliable references to back your claims/comments??
Sure, I do --
http://www.mercola.com/2004/mar/10/universal_flu_vaccine.htm
http://www.mercola.com/2000/nov/26/flu_shots.htm
http://www.westonaprice.org/moderndiseases/autism.html
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To fight ignorance and for more information on flu shots please visit:
http://www.health.gov.on.ca/english/public/program/pubhealth/flu/flu_mn.html</font>
Did you bother to read this yourself?
And have you ever actually bothered reading the insets that come with the vaccine bottle?
Read it - you will be surprised !
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However, on rare occasions, flu vaccination can cause serious problems, such as severe allergic reactions.
How do you know how "rare" this is?
Do you know how "rare" or how common these reactions are?
Do you know *what* causes these reactions?
Do you know why the database of vaccine reactions is not made publicly available by the CDC?
Do you know why this database is not even provided to university medical students for their research purposes?
Find out.....
OneIsACrowd,
No, I do not agree with any of the things you have said. I am indeed amazed at your ignorance. The websites you have cited are nothing but crap.
And I do not want to waste my energy discussing this subject with you. Though I don't really wish it to happen but you leave me with no option but to say - May you get the flu again and again to develop more and more immunity! God bless! 
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