Petition-Stop resettling 25,000 Syrian refugees in Canada


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febpreet   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 20-11-15 15:18:15

Here is the screening process laid out by the Canadian Govt. - It's comprehensive, and as hchheda mentioned, the ones that might harm us must already be roaming among us and living in Canada.

Here's the screening process. Please get yourselves acquainted:

http://globalnews.ca/news/2349421/heres-how-refugees-are-screened-before-arriving-in-canada/

Again, I am not fully supporting the Canadian Govt.'s mandate to bring in as high as 25000, but equally and in hindsight, we must not overlook the screening process, and how it all works.

Won't sign, as it's not quite black and white.

Edit: Just wanted to add more information on the Refugee process. Here it is:

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/refugees/canada.asp



dimple2001   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 20-11-15 15:24:23

Saudi Arabia has openly stated that they are wary of terrorists infiltrating the country. They know their kind and they are acting accordingly. We, on the other hand, are drowning in political correctness.

In the end, I must say that the true refugees are the ones who are suffering.

Canada must spend resources to uplift the downtrodden within its own borders and use money to exterminate the root cause of radicalism among the muslims, which may prop a jihadist or two in the future. The limiting factor, however, might be the self-ghettoization attitude among the muslims (for a sample, check out certain areas of Windsor) who are unwilling/unable to assimilate into the broader society.


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hchheda   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 20-11-15 15:27:39

Thanks Febpreet for that article. It also shows the amount of work that needs to be done. Think Trudeau's inexperience shows in his Christmas 2015 commitment.

I hope better sense will prevail. I am also sure that looking at the uproar this is causing all over, these 25000 will slipped in without much publicity.

Hiren



dimple2001   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 20-11-15 15:30:02

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Originally posted by febpreet


Here's the screening process. Please get yourselves acquainted:

http://globalnews.ca/news/2349421/heres-how-refugees-are-screened-before-arriving-in-canada/




I don't disagree at the process. However, a process is only as good as the people who enforce them. That's where the weakness lies. When the politicians force a mandate to bring in vast numbers within a very short period, officials may neglect certain steps in the process, leading to a potential threat in the future.


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febpreet   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 20-11-15 15:36:48

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Originally posted by goldeneye

Even if these countries have such system, these refugees already fleed the country.



They are only bringing in the Refugees that are in Syria, and not out of the country's borders already and roaming/camping on the European borders. I however, agree with you that it's going to be a real challenge for the people that have lost their status/identity documentation.

With the backlash Trudeau is facing on it, I am sure he would revisit the strategy on the timeline.

It's a double edged sword - fine line between Islamophobia and Humanitarianism regardless of caste/creed.

We are free to take away what we want out of it.



febpreet   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 20-11-15 15:46:03

Quote:
Originally posted by dimple2001

Quote:
Originally posted by febpreet


Here's the screening process. Please get yourselves acquainted:

http://globalnews.ca/news/2349421/heres-how-refugees-are-screened-before-arriving-in-canada/




I don't disagree at the process. However, a process is only as good as the people who enforce them. That's where the weakness lies. When the politicians force a mandate to bring in vast numbers within a very short period, officials may neglect certain steps in the process, leading to a potential threat in the future.




I couldn't agree more.



febpreet   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 20-11-15 15:58:31

Someone at another popular site really laid out the screening process that CSIS goes through. Here the full comment with the source of which:

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There is some important information left out about what CSIS and CIC are looking for in terms of clearing refugees for resettlement, and what inadmissibility (ie refusal) means.

The likely causes of inadmissibility would be for terrorism (s 34 of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act) or human rights abuses (s 35 of the Act), or membership in an organization that has, is, or will engage in terrorism or contravene human rights. You can also be inadmissible for having a family member (spouse, child, parent) who is inadmissible.

In the case of terrorism, this would apply to anyone who has fought in the civil war against the government. The Act marks anyone who engages in "subversion by force" against any government as a terrorist. Case law defines membership in organizations in an extremely broad and unrestricted way; it is irrelevant as to whether membership was voluntary, whether the individual is an adult or a minor, and whether the individual himself/herself engaged in violent acts. Material support is sufficient (ie hiding weapons). If a person is a member of a group and leaves prior to that group committing acts that would fall under the purview of terrorism, then that person is still inadmissible.
In the case of human rights abuses, the Supreme Court has defined 4 elements of a crime against humanity:

An enumerated proscribed act was committed (this involves showing that the accused committed the criminal act and had the requisite guilty state of mind for the underlying act);

The act was committed as part of a widespread or systematic attack;
The attack was directed against any civilian population or any identifiable group of persons; and
The person committing the proscribed act knew of the attack and knew or took the risk that his or her act comprised a part of that attack.
Mugesera v. Canada (Minister of Citizenship and Immigration), [2005] 2 SCR 100, 2005 SCC 40 (CanLII)

Complicity would involve an assessment of the following factors:
The Nature of the Organization
The Method of Recruitment
Position/rank within the Organization
Length of time in the Organization
The Opportunity to Leave the Organization
Knowledge of the Organization's Atrocities
Bedoya v. Canada(Minister of Citizenship and Immigration), 2005 FC 1092 (CanLII)
Complicity is usually defined in an extremely broad way. A person who was a member of the military is likely to be inadmissible.

The standard of proof required is reasonable grounds to believe, which is higher than mere suspicion (2-3% sure) but lower than a balance of probabilities (51% sure). Most importantly, CSIS and CIC need not have any objective evidence. The evidence they may call upon includes facts arising from "omissions" (ie failure to document your background history, or inconsistencies in your testimony or written submissions). At the end of all this, it is important to remember that this assessment (in the case of government assisted refugees) is after the UNHCR has vetted the individual."

Source link:

https://www.reddit.com/r/canada/comments/3tkggo/the_refugee_system_in_canada_a_lot_of_you_here/



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