Decision to allow hindus sikhs from Pakistan & Bangladesh to stay in India.


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Fido   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 18-09-15 11:39:55

Quote:
Originally posted by Rajagopal
But the problem is, will the most fanatical group in the planet allow us to survive for another 50 years?

That is the question.

R.



Very valid Q and that q is being currently processed at the world stage .

ISIS is recruiting people based on the fanatical diktats of Islam and it is so surprising that despite all the western and free upbringing and education parents provide to their kids , some Muslim youth continue to join ISIS against their parents' knowledge ... Such is the effect of those religious diktats which they read day in and day out ...... it is a kind of a brainwash.

I hope that by the current churning - two groups of Muslims may come up - one who believe in the fanatic ideologies of ISIS and stay with them and the other may disown them and clear themselves out ....

The world powers can take care of the former & let the latter live freely..


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hchheda   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 18-09-15 12:14:46

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Originally posted by Delhite

In the process of evolution of human species, religion is a mere intermediary stage of continuous development. Religion was a necessity of the society in the ancient times when there were no laws. Nowadays, when we have well defined laws in the society, the religion has becomes optional. In the course of evolution, not all subjects of a species evolve at the same time at same pace. The fanatical religious subjects are the once who are trying to cope up with the progress. All religions started with fanatic ingredients and as they developed/evolved, the fanatic component declined. This is the reason that we have high doses of fanatism in newer religions or in those who defy the evolution/progress. With glasses of religion, what you see is a tainted world. Our generations created a mindset based upon their experience and loaded the next generation with that mindset. To me, it seems like poisoning the next generation. Just give proper environment to learn & develop the next generation and let them decide what is good or bad. I think knowledge is the only solution of this epidemic.

Enough food for thought on this Friday morning.



Good post Delhite:

I however have a contrary theory of evolution. Without going too far into the past, Religion was not what it is today. It was a means to pacify an agitated or directionless soul. The seniors/gurus provided guidance for moral behavior. The success of these gurus brought them fame and power, then came their coterie who would travel to distant places to spread the message and become the local guru. With the advent of modern communication system - the importance of travelling guru went down hill and the importance of power increased. The religious heads who are supposed to provide guidance on moral conduct and ideal behavior turned their attention to gaining power and wealth. For this they needed larger supporters and fanaticism is the marketing tool to garner support. There are no new religions, just branches from the earlier - where one of the followers does not agree with his master's message ( for usually right reasons) and starts his own path. This leads to friction between the old and new, more fanaticism. Over the years there are multiple branches and more fanaticism amongst cross branches.

The basis of all this fanaticism is the greed for power and the followers are mere soldiers in this fight. The poor solider does not even know what he is really fighting for - thinking that it is his duty to defend his 'religion'. Mere education cannot solve this. The new generation has to learn to 'think' instead of be herded by the religious bosses. The thinking is not the copyright of graduates/educated - even 'illiterate' have the ability to think, while we have millions of graduates/educated who are just sheep in the herd.

I also believe that HINDUISM is NOT a religion - it is/was an identity of the people who initially resided in the INDUS VALLEY and later on specific to residents east of INDUS river. 100s years later, people from our continent might be called MERICANS (those who lived west of atlantic ocean - Mexico+America+Canada) and few centuries later, it might be mistook for a 'religion' where people carry showels in the car trunks.. :) - just a hypothesis :D.

In that sense, all the muslims, christians or jews or followers of any other religions/guru were by default hindus (because they resided east of INDUS river). It is the britishers who decided to break our unity and started propagating how the Muslims are different than the rest, how the christians are different than the rest, how the jews are different etc... Worshippers of all different idols were clubbed together as HINDUS since they were NOT muslims/christian/jews/buddhist etc... Now our politicians have adopted this system because it benefits them and gives them POWER.

Please note that this only my hypothesis and I am open to correction. Don't ask me for links or proofs :D

Peace and happy weekend to all.

Hiren



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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 19-10-15 22:23:03

Sharing here a very hard hitting article about the color blind reporting of controversial events by the media:

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"Indian secularism is colour blind" -
Tufail Ahmad is a former journalist with the BBC Urdu Service and Director of South Asia Studies Project at the Middle East Media Research Institute, Washington DC. He can be reached at:


People are angry at the murder of Muhammad Akhlaq in Dadri over allegations that he ate beef. Some say they are angry at Akhlaq’s murder, while others say they are angry at the murder of the cow. Some people are angry at the cancellation of Pakistani ghazal singer Ghulam Ali’s show of 9 October in Mumbai due to the Shiv Sena’s threat, while others are angry at Pakistani actors and singers being invited in India.
In the natural world, animals are made of meat and bones. Humans too, made of bones and meat, are animals. What angers them? Let’s look at their habits and ideas.
It is a bogus claim that we as humans are concerned about life, whether the life be of an animal or of a human being. For example, lots of people who argue that they believe in non-violence are non-vegetarians and eat meat in full awareness that an animal has been murdered.
In purely humanist considerations, the life of an animal cannot be less precious than the life of a human being. Among vegetarians, Jains deserve respect as they strive not to hurt even insects. It does not automatically mean that all Jains are vegetarians and pacifists, or that vegetarians do not murder.
On 23 June, Pakistani police killed a boy after he posed for selfie with a toy gun in Faisalabad, but Pakistani people did not protest. But if a Palestinian child is injured in firing by Israeli police, there are global protests by leftists and journalists file numerous outraged reports.
When the U.S. launched the war in Iraq, there were protests across the world by anti-war activists. When Saudi Arabia launched the current air strikes on Yemen, anti-war activists went to sleep. Pakistani army regularly kills people in Balochistan, but Pakistanis do not rise up. In India, secular journalists who claim they are concerned about human rights do not get angry when victims are Hindu.
Indian secularism is colour-blind.
Secular journalists who are angry at Akhlaq’s killing adopted total silence on a number of murders recently. Last August, army jawan Vedmitra Chaudhury was lynched to death in Hardevnagar, near Meerut, for saving a girl from molesters. In March, a Hindu man was abducted and murdered in Hajipur of Bihar for marrying a Muslim girl. Last June, a man was lynched to death near Eluru in Andhra Pradesh. A mob killed a man in Bhandup West area of Mumbai in June.
Secular journalists’ colour-blindness prevents them from seeing these murders: they do not get angry; they want Muslims to be murdered; only then they speak up. Indian secularism has tasted the Muslim blood.
Indian secularism is not only colour-blind, it is also half-Pakistani.
Secular leader Arvind Kejriwal, the chief minister of Delhi, spoke with Ghulam Ali after his show was cancelled and will host him in Delhi. Secular leader Akhilesh Yadav, the chief minister of Uttar Pradesh, organised Ghulam Ali’s show in Lucknow.
But Kejriwal and Akhilesh didn’t invite our own Oscar-winning musician A. R. Rahman when his music show of 13 September in Delhi was cancelled due to a fatwa by the Barelvi group Raza Academy.Secularism does not like Indian Muslim singers; it does not like Indian writers like Salman Rushdie. Mamata Banerjee, another secular leader, supported Ghulam Ali, saying music has no international boundaries but she will not support Taslima Nasreen, the Bangladeshi writer.
Indian secularism is truly Pakistani, not even a quarter-Bangladeshi.
Indian secularism is also counter-nationalist: secular lawyers turned out at midnight before the Supreme Court to save the life of convicted terrorist Yakub Menon but remain silent on death sentences of common Indians.
Secular journalist Nikhil Wagle wrote: “Without secularism, India is a Hindu Pakistan.“
Indian secularism is not even Indian: it is incomplete without eating beef. It loves to eat beef because Pakistanis eat beef. It is essentially Pakistani. It aligns with Pakistanis.
In 1947, our people thought that they could give away a piece of India’s territory to buy permanent peace. The secular government of Manmohan Singh came close to conceding a part of Kashmir to Pakistan in talks with General Pervez Musharraf, the architect of arguably the largest jihad in modern times in Kargil. Indian secularism is without sex, without consummating with Pakistan.
In his landmark book “On War”, German military strategist Carl von Clausewitz observed: “War is the continuation of politics by other means.” The reason Indians do not want Pakistani singers here is because Pakistan is practically in a state of war against India for nearly seven decades.
Through television and social media, common Indians can understand Pakistan’s war by other means. Pakistan has not formally declared a war, but Indians have grasped the obvious fact of our times that we are in a state of war because Pakistan continues to send jihadists into India. Aamir Khan’s movie Sarfarosh showed us that Pakistan sends arms dealers posing as ghazal singers.
Indian secularism is also Islamist.
In 2012, the secular Congress government did not allow Salman Rushdie to speak in Jaipur because secularism is in an incestuous relationship with Islamists. Mamata Banerjee does not support Taslima Nasreen because the West Bengal CM is in league with Islamists in the state.
Kejriwal’s secularism is in open alliance with Islamists. In 2013, Kejriwal visited Bareilly to meet Islamic cleric Tauqeer Raza Khan to seek Muslim votes. Last year, he sent Alka Lamba to meet Imam Bukhari’s brother to seek Muslim votes. In 1986, Rajiv Gandhi’s secularism surrendered before Islamic clerics in the Shah Bano case. Indian secularism is incomplete without its ideological cohabitation with Islamists.
On 1 October, secular gossip columnist Shobhaa De tweeted: “I just ate beef. Come and murder me.” The question also is: Will she draw a cartoon of Prophet Muhammad at the Gateway of India?
In a tweet dated 4 October, secular journalist Sagarika Ghose wrote: “Citizens of India, we need a campaign like Je Suis Charlie. Hold your head high and say ‘I am a beef eater’.” The question is: Will secular journalists draw the same cartoon in front of Delhi’s Jamaa Masjid?
The outrage is not about beef or cartoon. Indian youths are concerned over secularism’s double standards; they will support your right to eat beef if you are willing to draw a cartoon, even from your kitchen. The secular NDTV, supported by Aircel, began Save Our Tiger campaign. Why not a Save the Cow campaign?
India is a great nation. Its reality is this: Bollywood actor Aamir Khan makes the movie #PK in which Hindu god Lord Shiva is locked up in a bathroom and threatened, but he cannot make a movie on Prophet Muhammad. This is the imbalance in our national conversation that threatens India’s social cohesion. It is fostered by journalists.
India is witnessing the emergence of fascism from newsrooms, a movement of totalitarian ideas that divides us in order to win. Indian journalists are beaten up by Indians in New York or Dadri for their double standards. On social media, they are being called pimps and presstitutes, bimbos and bazaaru media because they sell their souls for a bungalow or a Rajya Sabha seat.
This secular fascism, in league with Islamic totalitarianism, wins by dividing us, but police must deal ruthlessly with any Indian who takes law into their own hands.
(A version of this article was published on October 15 by Dainik Jagran, India’s largest Hindi-language newspaper under the title “Secular Qabeeley Ke Log”)

Unquote:

This is true for the media all over, not only India. It is not necessarily about religion, but being agenda driven.

Hiren



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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 20-10-15 11:46:05

Thank you Hiren for sharing the post...very well said....two thumbs up....:cheers:



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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 21-10-15 01:47:03

Yesterday there was this interview by Tasleema Nasreen with Rajdeep in News Today, who surprisingly took a different stand from other ENM anchors regarding the Indo-Pak Cricket series or return of Sahitya Academy awards by Left intellectuals.

Tasleema says that the so called secular intellectuals in India are just anti-Hindu and pro-muslim and nothing else.

Incidentally, the many intellectuals who returned the award have not returned the prize money with interest. The person who started the "pseudo" movement was none other than Nayanthara Sehgal. The ENM was very careful to camouflage the fact that she was the daughteer of Vijayalakshmi Pandit and niece of Jawaharlal Nehru. She got her Sahitya Academy award as far back in 1986, did not get any favors from successive Congress state and central governments and that she found everything fine between 1986 and now.

Finally, Sahitya Academy is for promoting Indian languages literatures and litereary figures. Is it their job to "condemn" communal incidents? How our intellectuals have become so idiotic?


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hchheda   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 21-10-15 14:14:43

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Originally posted by mcg7

Awesome post - thanks Hiren
But You forgot to post the link (credit to the author & website-Hindu janjagrati)

http://www.hindujagruti.org/news/61506.html" target="_blank">http://www.hindujagruti.org/news/61506.html</a>


Thanks MCG7:

I did acknowledge the original writer Tufail Ahmad and his email in my post.

BTW following is the original source:

http://indiafacts.co.in/indian-secularism-is-colour-blind-2/

Thanks for contributing.

Hiren





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