Location: God's own country
Posted on: 07-04-15 09:25:28
Dear CD's,
I am helping some people immigrating to Canada and one question that they always ask me is :
where should I settle if I want to start with labour jobs right from day 1?
If oil price would have been $ 100 / Food price high / fertilizer price high, I would have given them the option of :
1. Calgary
2. Red Hat and thereabouts
3. Regina (Sask)
But now, since oil prices are low, I am not sure what to advice them of.
Even in 2010 (In Toronto), it was hard to get a easy labour job that paid you overtime. I am sure that this must be testing times there.
I have been in Waterloo, Kitchener, Guelph and Cambridge. No jobs there for labourers.
Looking forward for some sound advice from CD's so that I can inform accordingly.
Murali
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I am a Gents and not a Ladies.
Life won’t be easy doing the labor jobs in Canada unless the person is doing the labor job in India. Suggest staying in India as India is shining nowadays.
You can ask those people to post their job/skill profile on CD so that other members can advise accordingly while keeping in mind the skill up-gradation, future job prospects etc.
There is no one solution for every problem.
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A Delhite in Toronto
Location: God's own country
Posted on: 07-04-15 10:47:06
Delhite,
Thanks for the information.
The people that I am helping are illegal immigrants with little education and some legal immigrants with B.A (Economics), B.Sc. (Biology), ITI, Diploma in Civil qualification etc...
They are getting around Rs. 15,000 in India and I have told them that they can save atleast Rs 50,000 per month, if they do easy labour job (with overtime) and they are happy. They canot settle as professional engineering immigrants such as me or you.
Murali
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I am a Gents and not a Ladies.
Ask them to consider their short term and long term goals. Where they want to be in 5 yrs, 10 yrs and so on. How can they achieve their goals. What should be their inputs?
If money is the main objective, I think, Middle East would be a better choice. You have also recommended it so many times in previous posts.
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A Delhite in Toronto
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Originally posted by tamilkuravan
Dear CD's,
I am helping some people immigrating to Canada and one question that they always ask me is :
where should I settle if I want to start with labour jobs right from day 1?
If oil price would have been $ 100 / Food price high / fertilizer price high, I would have given them the option of :
1. Calgary
2. Red Hat and thereabouts
3. Regina (Sask)
But now, since oil prices are low, I am not sure what to advice them of.
Even in 2010 (In Toronto), it was hard to get a easy labour job that paid you overtime. I am sure that this must be testing times there.
I have been in Waterloo, Kitchener, Guelph and Cambridge. No jobs there for labourers.
Looking forward for some sound advice from CD's so that I can inform accordingly.
Murali
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The current Express entry system looks to have been created with lofty ideals for the Immigrants as well for CANADA. But it looks like that they are trying to match the arrivals here even before they land on this soil. They must have gotten the idea from the Dating websites or the Matrimonial Matches. I have yet to see the new arrivals settling down into a place and a job. YES, they are arriving in droves.
The current system of entry should be lauded, because they need the Language skills for the NEW immigrants and must have a Degree to start with and the qualifications must be recognized as equal to the ones issued here. So, that totally eliminates anyone who wants to enter into Canada as a labourer. BUT, they are arriving here in thousands with a work permit and I see a huge number as large as 180,000 people on work permits each year. So, there is a huge demand for them here. It should be remembered that they are not permitted to stay here longer than FOUR YEARS. That is the crunch.
Service industries and the Unions associated with them are based in larger towns and a few are run on 'call system', or will call system. They are dispatched from a central location to an area where they are needed immediately. They are well trained and well supervised and need very little coaching in safety and whmis. Needless to say, they also get absorbed into industries that have a demand for their skill set with a well-paying job, but at the lowest end. Progress and promotions are there in their line of work and some even qualify for a certification soon after they complete Four years.
Remember when the US had a down turn and people from very high paying jobs were mopping the church floors and isles just to make ends meet. Those were the days that I am basing this discussion upon. Canada did not see such a down turn or a lowest low as yet. But the layoffs from the Oil Producing towns are moving them out to locations where there is employment and since we are not networked to know or be a part of them, it has gotten scattered.
Even there I see a disconnect, which is, how come the CRUDE moves out of Alberta at the world price, travels thousands of miles on rails or through the pipes and gets processed and gets sold for 49 cents a liter in Texas? I know that there are no sales tax in some States. Add 29% HST and another 15% for the Budget Balance and it should be at our pumps too for 71 cents a liter. So, who is getting screwed and why the Government is looking the other way? What is the consumer and Corporate Affairs doing to bring it in line? I am sure there is a principle that they all respect in higher echelons, which is "You scratch my back and I will scratch yours"!! That is POLITICS and ask the PM, he hails from that neck of the woods too. Just to prove the point, they sent a few bus loads of Work permit Holders from the Oil fields back to their native lands just yesterday and now will create a few thousand jobs, yes busboys just to replace with the unemployed Canadians.
That is Vertical Integration for us, Canadians. Ask any tool pusher, he will tell you "WE ALL ARE GETTING SHAFTED"
FH.
GTA still has lot of labour jobs.
But they are mostly WAREHOUSE jobs in companies through employment agencies.
So its not so much factory manufacturing jobs ( which are generally better paying ) , but warehouse jobs like shipping , receiving , picking , packing , loading , unloading etc..which are generally low paying.
Most are 10-12 hr per day shifts . And most are between $ 12 - $ 15 per hr ..so NOT a great pay , but if 3-4 of you live together & share accomodation & transport , you can save $ 1,000 / month ( or more ) even on these jobs after taxes & expenses.
Most of them will be in Vaughan , Brampton & Mississauga area ..full of warehouses & logistics companies ..or even the East end like Scarborough.
So 3-4 desis live in 1 apartment ($ 1,000 rent) & each can make about $ 2,000/month (after taxes ) doing these jobs. So they only pay $ 250/month each , plus cost of food , transport, phone , cable, internet, entertainment etc.
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Originally posted by tamilkuravan
Dear CD's,
I am helping some people immigrating to Canada and one question that they always ask me is :
where should I settle if I want to start with labour jobs right from day 1?
If oil price would have been $ 100 / Food price high / fertilizer price high, I would have given them the option of :
1. Calgary
2. Red Hat and thereabouts
3. Regina (Sask)
But now, since oil prices are low, I am not sure what to advice them of.
Even in 2010 (In Toronto), it was hard to get a easy labour job that paid you overtime. I am sure that this must be testing times there.
I have been in Waterloo, Kitchener, Guelph and Cambridge. No jobs there for labourers.
Looking forward for some sound advice from CD's so that I can inform accordingly.
Murali
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Originally posted by Full House
Quote:
Originally posted by tamilkuravan
Dear CD's,
I am helping some people immigrating to Canada and one question that they always ask me is :
where should I settle if I want to start with labour jobs right from day 1?
If oil price would have been $ 100 / Food price high / fertilizer price high, I would have given them the option of :
1. Calgary
2. Red Hat and thereabouts
3. Regina (Sask)
But now, since oil prices are low, I am not sure what to advice them of.
Even in 2010 (In Toronto), it was hard to get a easy labour job that paid you overtime. I am sure that this must be testing times there.
I have been in Waterloo, Kitchener, Guelph and Cambridge. No jobs there for labourers.
Looking forward for some sound advice from CD's so that I can inform accordingly.
Murali
--------
The current Express entry system looks to have been created with lofty ideals for the Immigrants as well for CANADA. But it looks like that they are trying to match the arrivals here even before they land on this soil. They must have gotten the idea from the Dating websites or the Matrimonial Matches. I have yet to see the new arrivals settling down into a place and a job. YES, they are arriving in droves.
The current system of entry should be lauded, because they need the Language skills for the NEW immigrants and must have a Degree to start with and the qualifications must be recognized as equal to the ones issued here. So, that totally eliminates anyone who wants to enter into Canada as a labourer. BUT, they are arriving here in thousands with a work permit and I see a huge number as large as 180,000 people on work permits each year. So, there is a huge demand for them here. It should be remembered that they are not permitted to stay here longer than FOUR YEARS. That is the crunch.
Service industries and the Unions associated with them are based in larger towns and a few are run on 'call system', or will call system. They are dispatched from a central location to an area where they are needed immediately. They are well trained and well supervised and need very little coaching in safety and whmis. Needless to say, they also get absorbed into industries that have a demand for their skill set with a well-paying job, but at the lowest end. Progress and promotions are there in their line of work and some even qualify for a certification soon after they complete Four years.
Remember when the US had a down turn and people from very high paying jobs were mopping the church floors and isles just to make ends meet. Those were the days that I am basing this discussion upon. Canada did not see such a down turn or a lowest low as yet. But the layoffs from the Oil Producing towns are moving them out to locations where there is employment and since we are not networked to know or be a part of them, it has gotten scattered.
Even there I see a disconnect, which is, how come the CRUDE moves out of Alberta at the world price, travels thousands of miles on rails or through the pipes and gets processed and gets sold for 49 cents a liter in Texas? I know that there are no sales tax in some States. Add 29% HST and another 15% for the Budget Balance and it should be at our pumps too for 71 cents a liter. So, who is getting screwed and why the Government is looking the other way? What is the consumer and Corporate Affairs doing to bring it in line? I am sure there is a principle that they all respect in higher echelons, which is "You scratch my back and I will scratch yours"!! That is POLITICS and ask the PM, he hails from that neck of the woods too. Just to prove the point, they sent a few bus loads of Work permit Holders from the Oil fields back to their native lands just yesterday and now will create a few thousand jobs, yes busboys just to replace with the unemployed Canadians.
That is Vertical Integration for us, Canadians. Ask any tool pusher, he will tell you "WE ALL ARE GETTING SHAFTED"
FH.
FH,
Good one. I always envy (in a positive way) your clarity of thought. Ever contemplated writing a book?
Anyway, keep it up!
