Adamthorat - why don't you comment on ground reality and quality of life in India, assuming you are in India right now. If not, please let us know about your current place of living.

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A Delhite in Toronto

Wherever he is !!!! Adamthorat asked very good questions and raised good points. There will be always mixed responses and mostly not unbiased greatly influenced by love/hate of current situation the individual is in which is always different from person to person and can't be generalized.

However, more clarity is possible if we get more responses to the questions asked by Adamthorat. If he is really living in India ... he needs to give his thoughts first.

It reminds me something. I was never interested to migrate and one of my good friends filled up the forms etc and pushed me. Even after getting the immigration visa document, I was not sure whether I should pursue or not. At that time, one of another friend who lived in Europe and travelled to many places was aware of my dilemma and he strongly suggested me to give it a try. He said that I should go for at least two years and stay there in whatever situation and try hard to establish. He said that I should consider like I have imprisoned for 2 years and I have to stay anyway. After 2 years, I should come back to India and stay for one month and then decide the future course. Having experiencing both places, one should be very clear to understand the differences and can easily take the well informed wise decision best suited to him.

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A Delhite in Toronto

Adam,
Ground reality is different in India these days.
Canada is always good for people in IT (though IT engineers are paid well in India, the salary is saturated now in India and pay is better in Canada). Also canada is better for people who are unemployed in India and have lot of family problems (like not having child etc..).
If you are in a decent job in India, donot even think of coming to Canada. These days, CTS issues 1094 job offers to BE/B Tech graduates in VIT Vellore. So that is the beauty of India.

India is good these days. People have lots of money, pay is very good, MNC's have come to India like KFC, FAB India, Mac Donalds etc.. So you can enjoy everything here.

Many airlines offer good deals. I got a deal to Chennai / Banagalore from Cochin at Rs 1500. I also get deals from Cochin to Kulala lumpur for Rs 3000 (one way). Stay in Kulala lumpur at YMCA is Rs 2000/ day for a double bedroom (with free breakfast). I spent 10 days in London/ Paris and I spent around $ 6000 (stay in London for 8 days was free).

Here also you can get a mortgage on your house, make people stay on rent etc..

Murali

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Hi Adamthorat,

Good questions you have asked. The ground reality of India is only a perception and will change from person to person.

Having been in India most of my life apart from couple of years that I spent in Europe and the US, I see that India is still a poorly managed nation and far behind from the West in terms of quality of life. No doubt the hopes are high after Modi has been elected as prime minister, and it is visible that his intentions are very clear and noble at improving India. However, one man cannot change or transform India in a short span. It is a gradual process and will take time, given that he has lot of opposition from within the nation.

Have things improved for a common person after Modi coming to power? Yes they have but not for the common man. The price rise seems to be under control, but its the same corruption, bureaucracy, red tape, VIP culture etc etc. Visiting the law authorities , police, court is a nightmare. The pollution is bad, and no steps are being taken to control it. Development seems to be a term of simply constructing buildings and not planning a city or a community as a whole. Garbage disposal, traffic management, electricity, water supply ….such basic facilities are not planned by the civic bodies. Road rage is increasing and driving around is always risky (at least in all major cities)
Life in India is good if one has lots of money, (and connections with important people).

What has improved in last 5 years? ….. quality of buildings is good. IT still seems to be growing. Road quality is not world class, but is getting better. Some national and intra state highways are truly pot-holes free and really good to drive on. Number of hospitals providing good healthcare facilities has increased. Malls are plenty and classy, shopping or going out for a movie is the new weekend thing to do.

However, there is no New India in a sense where things have changed drastically..…at least not yet. The problems that were once known about India still do exist. The rich and powerful can get away with anything, and there is no fear of law.

My reasons of moving out are - i do not see the quality of life improving for me. Even with an almost 10 years experience and a good job with a decent pay check, it is a hand to mouth situation where a middle class man is burdened with loans, taxes, and no facilities by the government, and also think about saving for the future. Plus, there is pollution, population beyond control, lack of hygiene, poor quality of education, etc.......laws are tough, but rarely implemented.

The NRI’s who have returned home no doubt will have more money than what a person living in India has made, so life will seem better and comfortable than what it was 10 years back here. And you get practically everything here now.

Roland

Hi Murali,

It seems I did not fully understand the purpose and need for volunteering in Canada, but thanks to that explanation, it cleared my doubts.

Thank you !

Cool.

Basically if you are :

1. Rich - Stay In India - Once you are rich doesn't matter how rich you are.

2. Poor - Go Abroad - Once you are poor doesn't matter how poor you are.

3. Middle Class : ( There are 3 sub categories )

a. Upper Middle Class - Stay In India
b. Middle Middle Class - Go Abroad
c. Lower Middle Class - Go Abroad

So unless you are Rich or Upper Middle Class , you won't have a great life in India. Once you belong to that strata , generally you have powerful connections & money power so no one can touch you.

If you belong to the other strata , the only option for you to have a good life is Dadagiri , Gundagiri, Hooliganism etc.

So either you need MONEY power or MUSCLE power or POWERFUL connections to have a good life in India.

Otherwise you are basically screwed , if you DON'T have ANY of the above 3 .

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Originally posted by roland_poly

Hi Adamthorat,

Good questions you have asked. The ground reality of India is only a perception and will change from person to person.

Having been in India most of my life apart from couple of years that I spent in Europe and the US, I see that India is still a poorly managed nation and far behind from the West in terms of quality of life. No doubt the hopes are high after Modi has been elected as prime minister, and it is visible that his intentions are very clear and noble at improving India. However, one man cannot change or transform India in a short span. It is a gradual process and will take time, given that he has lot of opposition from within the nation.

Have things improved for a common person after Modi coming to power? Yes they have but not for the common man. The price rise seems to be under control, but its the same corruption, bureaucracy, red tape, VIP culture etc etc. Visiting the law authorities , police, court is a nightmare. The pollution is bad, and no steps are being taken to control it. Development seems to be a term of simply constructing buildings and not planning a city or a community as a whole. Garbage disposal, traffic management, electricity, water supply ….such basic facilities are not planned by the civic bodies. Road rage is increasing and driving around is always risky (at least in all major cities)
Life in India is good if one has lots of money, (and connections with important people).

What has improved in last 5 years? ….. quality of buildings is good. IT still seems to be growing. Road quality is not world class, but is getting better. Some national and intra state highways are truly pot-holes free and really good to drive on. Number of hospitals providing good healthcare facilities has increased. Malls are plenty and classy, shopping or going out for a movie is the new weekend thing to do.

However, there is no New India in a sense where things have changed drastically..…at least not yet. The problems that were once known about India still do exist. The rich and powerful can get away with anything, and there is no fear of law.

My reasons of moving out are - i do not see the quality of life improving for me. Even with an almost 10 years experience and a good job with a decent pay check, it is a hand to mouth situation where a middle class man is burdened with loans, taxes, and no facilities by the government, and also think about saving for the future. Plus, there is pollution, population beyond control, lack of hygiene, poor quality of education, etc.......laws are tough, but rarely implemented.

The NRI’s who have returned home no doubt will have more money than what a person living in India has made, so life will seem better and comfortable than what it was 10 years back here. And you get practically everything here now.

Roland

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