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Should Delhi Police be under Delhi Government?




Surti
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You are suggesting old ineffective approach which never worked. and btw yes AAP went through all formal channels of writing, putting papers , pushing and prodding.



Are you sure? There is something called Vidhan Sabha. They are the law makers not a normal citizen who just sends applications and expect others to implement that.

Have formally go thru it. All the things can't be sorted out on the streets dude. Think about Lalu tried to pass a law that Buffalos should have reserve seats in Delhi Metro - the way Kejri is trying.

In Democracy the hypocrisy of few crazy individuals doesn't count. There are more formal ways of handling things.

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Post ID: 209636 21-01-14 19:23:54
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Surti
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So many laws have been changed and improved since independence without these kind of street agitations, so don't simply say that things doesn't change without such strong shows.

Also what he is trying to protest? To save a convicted and unruly law minister? To penalized the police officers who were citing the rules that they can't raid without search warrant?

Imagine someone sends an application to Bharti that "Sharmaji's House" is involved in the Sex and Drug racket and Bharti orders few police officers to raid it without any formal process. Things can't work like that in Democracy.

This is complete insane act and can only be explained if it is a systematic approch to destabilize India like other countries.

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Post ID: 209637 21-01-14 19:30:43
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So many laws have been changed and improved since independence without these kind of street agitations, so don't simply say that things doesn't change without such strong shows.

Also what he is trying to protest? To save a convicted and unruly law minister? To penalized the police officers who were citing the rules that they can't raid without search warrant?

Imagine someone sends an application to Bharti that "Sharmaji's House" is involved in the Sex and Drug racket and Bharti orders few police officers to raid it without any formal process. Things can't work like that in Democracy.

This is complete insane act and can only be explained if it is a systematic approch to destabilize India like other countries.



Knowing and Going by the speed @ which the laws were changed in past, there will be tons of rapes, assaults accomplished. Its a matter of hurry and in hurry the message of intolerance should go to the criminals. Ofcourse it is needed to be eventually passed through the Vsabha. So if there is will , An ordinance can be promulgated for now and within 6 months it should pass through the house. There is provision for this in Indian constitution (article 123) . Same as an ordinance can be passed when parliament is not in session .

There should be a will... You, like your masters, are full of excuses. So stop advocating for your rogue party , and start worrying about Sharmaji who is actually is worried that next year his daughter will start college.


 
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Originally posted by Surti


So many laws have been changed and improved since independence without these kind of street agitations, so don't simply say that things doesn't change without such strong shows.

Also what he is trying to protest? To save a convicted and unruly law minister? To penalized the police officers who were citing the rules that they can't raid without search warrant?

Imagine someone sends an application to Bharti that "Sharmaji's House" is involved in the Sex and Drug racket and Bharti orders few police officers to raid it without any formal process. Things can't work like that in Democracy.

This is complete insane act and can only be explained if it is a systematic approch to destabilize India like other countries.



Yea, right! And, everybody knows how India has become a better place since independence with all these laws that have been changed by your dear Congressi's and Sanghi's sane acts.

Congress for 60 years and BJP albeit for a few years, couldn't even make India's Capital at least, a safer place to live for women.

Say what you will, Congress and BJP are two sides of the same coin - currupt and shameless.


 
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Originally posted by Surti

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You are suggesting old ineffective approach which never worked. and btw yes AAP went through all formal channels of writing, putting papers , pushing and prodding.



Are you sure? There is something called Vidhan Sabha. They are the law makers not a normal citizen who just sends applications and expect others to implement that.

Have formally go thru it. All the things can't be sorted out on the streets dude. Think about Lalu tried to pass a law that Buffalos should have reserve seats in Delhi Metro - the way Kejri is trying.

In Democracy the hypocrisy of few crazy individuals doesn't count. There are more formal ways of handling things.




Democracy and India are unfortunately getting more and more divergent.

In reality, in India, by the time the process of warrant, enquiry, raid, investigation, FIR, arrest, court, case, verdict and conviction is completed a potential trafficker would have transacted tons of drugs.

However, this is the route where the moolah is for everyone including the lawyers and when the Delhi Law Minister tries to bye-pass the route for the sake of the welfare of the local residents, it raises red flag for the vested interests.

One of the reasons for criticizing AK was that he was disturbing Republic Day preparations.

What purpose but only symbolic, if all the parade of the latest missiles, arms and ammunition, if it cannot protect the ordinary citizens.

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Post ID: 209642 22-01-14 01:02:39
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MKBLR
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Ordinary janata in Delhi were doing fine during the dharna, except for the metro train station shutdown. It was the big netas who were getting irritated. TV channels reported that the HM S.K. Shinde was called into meeting at Rahul G's place. That's how the things moved.

Why transfer or suspend officials who are culprits? Suspension = paid vacation as I see. If some are dismissed from service, say 0.5% of the workforce, others will get up and act straight. Cant it be done? The rules are made to help netas and babus. AK is right in saying that its not the rajneeti that's done, its the dalalgiri that's been practiced.


 
Post ID: 209649 22-01-14 09:57:21
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Surti
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Number of personal attacks, folks! As you know that is not allowed on this board, so please stay way from doing that.

Going back to the topic.

You guys are strongly advising that one should change the laws on the streets and protest is the only way.

You also say the India is indeed the most dangerous place in the world unless and until the AAP taking it over completely.

Other than laughing out loud, what more I have to say.

And I can easily assume that once the police is under AAP there will not be a single rape the rape capital of India. Very very good, go ahead and vote for that party en-mass.

I wish in Canada the same logic should be applied. A crazy minister like Bharti, can a get a complain from unknown sources that a immigrant dominated apartment has sex and drug racket going on. He goes there, calls camera, calls police. At the same time two-three women of South Asian origin coming in a car. He and his gang without warrant enters apartments and hand-cuffs the residents and force those women to give urine samples. All these without any warrant.

Ready for that? Good Luck with your mentality.

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Surti
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Ordinary janata in Delhi were doing fine during the dharna, except for the metro train station shutdown.



In Metro only AAP Netas travel no the Ordinary Janta, so there is no inconvenience to them. I can understand this easily. Very good logic. Keep it up.

And yes, the AAP is to kill the VIP culture with VVIP Dharna. Who voted for the AAP deserve such treatment, but unfortunately those 70 percent who didn't voted for AAP have to suffer, I am feeling sorry for them.

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Post ID: 209651 22-01-14 10:28:15
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Surti
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The details of Kejri called Victory

http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/negotiations-that-forced-arvind-kejriwal-to-edit-his-signature-move-a-sit-in-474152?&pfrom=home-lateststories

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New Delhi: When Delhi Chief Minister Arvind Kejriwal declared the end to his anti-police protest in the heart of the city, he marketed it as "a victory for Delhi" even though his demands were left largely unmet. In fact, the announcement was preceded by hours of negotiations which made it clear that Mr Kejriwal's street politics were, in this case, falling short on dividends.

The large swathes of supporters his Aam Aadmi Party (AAP) was expecting were missing; the cold and gusty winds were taxing the health of the already unwell chief minister; and union Home Minister Sushil Kumar Shinde was determined not to make any sudden moves. (Pics)

The strategy came through. Mr Kejriwal called off his signature move - a sit-in - with marginal gains. He had threatened first a 10-day and then an infinite protest if the Home Minister didn't suspend five police officers Mr Kejriwal has accused of negligence. The chief minister also sought the reassignment of the police force to the Delhi government; it is controlled by the union government via the Home Ministry. (Delhi police file case against Arvind Kejriwal's sit-in)

After 33 hours that left the capital grappling with traffic jams, closed metro stations, and the prospect of inadequate security checks for Sunday's Republic Day parade, this is what Mr Kejriwal won. (If it's a face-saver, it's one that Delhi gains from: AAP's Ashutosh)

Two of the five police officers targeted by him were asked to proceed on paid leave, and an inquiry against the group was fast-tracked. (Partial success, but principles more important: AAP)

By 9 am on Tuesday, Home Minister Shinde had been briefed by the Delhi police and the Intelligence Bureau that Mr Kejriwal's protest was drawing a smaller crowd than AAP leaders had expected. Mr Shinde told his officials that he would not suspend the police officers signaled out by Mr Kejriwal. He asked for regular updates.

The Home Ministry then shared its assessment with the union government's representative in Delhi, Lieutenant Governor Najeeb Jung, and asked him to reach out to the leaders of Mr Kejriwal's AAP.

The Lieutenant Governor invited AAP's Yogendra Yadav to lunch and shared that the union government would not sign off on Mr Kejriwal's wish list.

About two hours later, the riot police posted at Mr Kejriwal's sit-in clashed with AAP supporters, who hurled stones and tried to storm through barricades. Appeals by AAP leaders to demonstrate peacefully were ineffectual. With the lurking possibility of more violence, Mr Yadav briefed Mr Kejriwal on his lunch discussion.

The Lieutenant Governor then phoned Mr Kejriwal to emphasize the centre would not yield.
Around 4 pm, Mr Kejriwal called a meeting of AP leaders in the 'AAP-mobile", his blue Wagon-R. They reportedly decided that they needed an exit route from the demonstration.

At 5.30 pm, it was decided that the Lieutenant Governor would provide the eject button with a statement announcing that two policemen were proceeding on leave and promising a swift inquiry.

At 6 pm, AAP leaders met in the Press Club and agreed this was acceptable.

At 7.30 pm, Mr Kejriwal concluded his demonstration. (Arvind Kejriwal calls-off sit-in that gridlocked Delhi)


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Post ID: 209652 22-01-14 10:58:32
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Fido
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And yet this unprecedented. A corrupt Police Force shielded by an Opposition political party @ the Centre had to yield in ..... Do you recall what Delhi Police and Congress had done in case of Ramdev's rally 2 years back ??

In the mid of night the Police gathered and lathi charged sleeping citizens of the country at the behest of Congress just because they felt that Ramdev was siding with BJP ....

In protest to the rape last year , there were thousands of Police to be seen in Delhi .. but on the night of the rape there was not even a single one despite the bus passed through 6 check points ...... Why ?? Because they were busy collecting bribe from others .

It is a known fact that crimes like prostitution and brothels are run after a Police get their cut out of it ... If you witness on the streets , Police slap , beat up people w/o warrant , and arrest innocent people for no reason if they so fancy.

There needs to be an accountability which should be towards the people of the place .... If there s a crime committed in Delhi , Delhites should get accountability not the Centre .

And accountability is what Arvind Kejriwal has asked for .... Dharna may have inconvenienced some but there s no cure without effort and pain and I m sure had the Police not prevented
people from coming to the venue , there would have been thousands more ....Accountability will reduce crimes ...no luck needed for that .

Lets not forget - it takes a strong corageous & a driven man to take on huge forces especially when he knows that he does not enjoy a majority in the House.... But it appears that he
is obviously supported by the public who have voted for him and would vote for him in majority if a re election takes place . The other parties are obviously trying to down play him.

I think anybody who wishes for betterment , should give him a fair chance .... his actions may be radical but he is spot on in his intent .

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