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rajcanada   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 04-01-14 13:16:37

In a language that Kejariwal speaks, it is a fight between Aam Aadmi vs Khaas Aadmi. Indian system is all out to protect Khaas Aadmi by moving her to UN to secure full diplomatic immunity and trampling the rights of the common man. Devyani is not alone and has not been singled out. There are diplomats/officials from nationalities who have been in a similar situation too. See http://www.straitstimes.com/the-big-story/asia-report/asia-us/story/plight-maids-hired-diplomats-20131222

Also another IFS officer got indicted in the past in a similar case and was asked to pay $1.5 million. See http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/in-us-another-ruling-in-favour-of-maid-who-accused-indian-diplomat-of-slavery-188466


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puttoo   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 04-01-14 18:35:17

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Originally posted by rajcanada

Also another IFS officer got indicted in the past in a similar case and was asked to pay $1.5 million. See http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/in-us-another-ruling-in-favour-of-maid-who-accused-indian-diplomat-of-slavery-188466



And in this case too they should have pursued the case and made the diplomat pay for the damages, there was no need to arrest her.

Infact the double standards are evident from action taken a week earlier, about 49 Russian diplomats, some of them serving even now in US were exposed as having swindled the medicare to the tune of 1.5 million dollars !!!!

Now this was not some private person who was short changed , this was the US tax payer money being swindled by Russian diplomats. But the state department did not authorize anyone's arrest. And that was because the moment they would have arrested one Russian diplomat, the Russian would have thrown two american diplomats in prison.

So in a way this is about aam adami and khas adami. It is just the Americans were used to having Indians as the aam adami.

Thankfully India has shown some balls after a long time.



ramar2005   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 04-01-14 19:35:15

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Originally posted by puttoo

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Originally posted by rajcanada


So in a way this is about aam adami and khas adami. It is just the Americans were used to having Indians as the aam adami.

Thankfully India has shown some balls after a long time.




Very true.

Even if the US had acted on earlier occasions it again looks like pick and choose. They have neither been serious nor sincere about the cause of the servants employed. May be all this part of CIA work and the maid and her family on their contract.

Now India has asked US Consulate to apply for permission for screening movies which they had not been doing earlier. They have also asked for the US diplomats and consular staff to provide details about their domestic servants and the salaries paid. The US Consulate is yet to provide the same. If they were honest they would have complied immediately.

Again the accusation of "ill-treatment" also is not believable. How a working woman who leaves her two children in the maid's custody for 8 or 12 hrs a day dare to ill-treat her. Will not the maid take it out on the kids?

If Devyani had really ill treated and not cared for her maid, would she have religiously deposited Rs.30,000/- every month to Sangeetha's account in India. Looks like the maid was attracted by the quality of life in USA. She wanted to get US Citizenship for herself and her family by hook or crook. Together she, her husband and parents have been in "embassies service" for the last 50 years and she used her connections well.

Would the maid have staged the drama, had she been working in Somalia or Sudan?


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rajcanada   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 04-01-14 23:59:33

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Originally posted by puttoo

Quote:
Originally posted by rajcanada

Also another IFS officer got indicted in the past in a similar case and was asked to pay $1.5 million. See http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/in-us-another-ruling-in-favour-of-maid-who-accused-indian-diplomat-of-slavery-188466



And in this case too they should have pursued the case and made the diplomat pay for the damages, there was no need to arrest her.

Infact the double standards are evident from action taken a week earlier, about 49 Russian diplomats, some of them serving even now in US were exposed as having swindled the medicare to the tune of 1.5 million dollars !!!!

Now this was not some private person who was short changed , this was the US tax payer money being swindled by Russian diplomats. But the state department did not authorize anyone's arrest. And that was because the moment they would have arrested one Russian diplomat, the Russian would have thrown two american diplomats in prison.

So in a way this is about aam adami and khas adami. It is just the Americans were used to having Indians as the aam adami.

Thankfully India has shown some balls after a long time.



Only 11 of the 49 involved currently live in US and all of them have full diplomatic immunity. So, how could they have been arrested?

Devyani only enjoyed limited immunity related to her official work.


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bhootnath   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 05-01-14 12:53:06

More than feeling sorry for how Devyani was treated, it was the betrayal that hurts. The evidence was planned for months while keeping India in dark or just informing on routine matter. The arrest was approved by state department. The maid's family travel arrangement including tickets, was planned by US embassy in Delhi. Instead of handing over the maid, they protected and hide her away. Yes Indian officials should have been more diligent but they relied on so called strong relationship and deep understanding. In earlier cases where Indian diplomats were searched, it was not pre-planned activity. Here a mountain of evidence was created based on a routine technical glitch that is practiced by thousands of employers including body shoppers etc.
Yes what US did is technically correct but morally wrong and they know it. They also know that other than bitching about the issue, India does not have balls to take strong action especially during election year and will come bending backwards when US shows the greenback.



Full House   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 05-01-14 16:28:20


ADDITIONAL INFORMATION NEEDED TO UNDERSTAND... 'DK' HAD FULL IMMUNITY ALSO..can she be prosecuted?


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Devyani’s full shield that India forgot to tell US
http://www.telegraphindia.com/1131227/jsp/nation/story_17725107.jsp#.UsmzbbQwChq


http://www.un.int/protocol/documents/NV%20on%20P&I.PDF


FH,xxxxxxxxxxx materials from research...


The Immunity of Representatives to the UN: A New Twist in the Diplomatic Row Between India and the United States
Published on December 30, 2013 Author: Dapo Akande

The diplomatic row between India and the United States over the arrest and prosecution of Devyani Khobragade, the Indian deputy consul-general in New York, for visa fraud and violation of US employment laws, continues (see my previous post) but new facts are emerging which may affect a determination of whether the US acted lawfully in arresting Ms Khobragade. India has taken further retaliatory measures against the US by withdrawing some of the privileges enjoyed by US diplomats and their families in the India. It is also investigating possible tax violations by US officials and has issued new identity cards to US consular officials in which make it clear to those officials (and to the police) that those consular officials may be arrested for serious offences (see recent New York Times, Reuters and BBC reports). With regard to Ms Khobragade herself, new questions have emerged with regard to the immunity that she may be entitled to. As noted in my previous post, India has, since her arrest, moved her from its consulate in New York to the Indian Mission to the UN, apparently, in an attempt to obtain full diplomatic immunity for her. It has now been asserted that even at the time of the arrest, she was temporarily assigned to the Indian Mission to the UN to assist with work in connection with the General Assembly session (see Reuters report). This may well change the picture as to whether Ms Khobragade was actually immune from arrest at the time.

In my previous post, I discussed the legality of the deputy consul-general’s arrest on the basis that she was only entitled to consular immunity. As noted in that post, consular officials are only entitled to functional immunity from prosecution, i.e immunity in respect of acts performed in the exercise of her consular functions, and may be arrested for grave crimes (pursuant to a decision of a competent judicial authority). However, the position is different with regard to representatives of states to the UN. If Ms Khobragade was already a part of the Indian Mission to the UN when arrested, or if she does become a part of the Indian Mission then the position with regard to the arrest, and with regard to the prosecution might be different from what was first thought.

Let me begin by considering the legality of the arrest of Ms Khobragade in the light of the claim that she was already a member of India’s mission to the UN at the time of the arrest. Reuters report that

“[s]he was temporarily moved to India’s U.N. mission in August to help with the workload ahead of the General Assembly session and a visit by the prime minister. A copy of her accreditation, made available to Reuters, lists her as an adviser for a period from August 26 until December 31.”

If this is correct then Ms Khobragade might well have been immune from arrest at the time when she was arrested. The reason for this is that Section 11(a) of the 1946 General Convention on Privileges and Immunities on the United Nations provides that “Representatives of Members to the principal and subsidiary organs of the United Nations and to conferences convened by the United Nations, shall, while exercising their functions . . .”, enjoy “Immunity from personal arrest or detention”. That provision also provides representatives with immunity from legal process but only with respect to acts done (or words spoken or written) in their capacity as representatives. As I noted in my previous post, this latter part of the provision means that representatives are only entitled to immunity from suits or prosecutions to the same extent as consular officials (i.e they are only entitled to functional immunity). However, the provision with respect to inviolability (immunity from arrest and detention) is different. The inviolability of consular officials (under Art. 41 of the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations) contains the exceptions for grave crimes. However, the inviolability of representatives to the UN is absolute. There is no exception for arrest for serious crimes.

The Temporal Scope of Immunity of Representatives to the UN

Although the inviolability of representatives to the UN is absolute, Section 11(a) of the 1946 General Convention on Privileges and Immunities on the United Nations provides for immunity and inviolability only “while [representatives are] exercising their functions . . .”. Does this mean that representatives are immune from arrest only at a time when they are actually engaging in acts within the scope of their functions (eg while in the office or while attending a meeting at the UN?) A narrow interpretation of those words would mean that the Ms Khobragade (assuming she was already an Indian representative to the UN when arrested) could have been arrested when dropping off her daughter at school but not when she had reached the office. I would suggest that a narrow interpretation of Section 11(a) would be inappropriate and inconsistent with the structure of the provision as a whole. Such an interpretation of the words “while exercising their functions” is inappropriate because it would make the rights provided for in Section 11 illusory. It would mean that though the representative cannot be arrested while in the office she could be arrested when at home asleep. This would mean that a state which wanted to deny immunity and inviolability would always be able to do so. The narrow interpretation would also be inconsistent with the context of Art. 11 because it would render redundant the restriction of the immunity from legal process to words or acts of representatives spoken, written or done in their capacity as representatives. If immunity only exists for representatives “while exercising their functions” and this means while performing acts in connection with their functions, why would there need to be a restriction of immunity from legal process to acts in their capacity as representatives? On the narrow view, that restriction of immunity would already be present. These considerations suggest the immunity from personal arrest and detention should apply not just when the representative is actually performing an act in connection with her functions but throughout the period in which she is in the host state for the purpose of exercising those functions. It is this interpretation of Article 11 that has been adopted by the UN and also by US courts [see 1976 UN Juridical Yearbook 224, 228; Tachiona v. Mugabe, 386 F3d 205 (2nd Cir. US, 2004)]

Is there a Need for US Consent for Transfer to the Indian Mission to the US

The foregoing analysis suggest that it was unlawful to arrest Ms Khobragade, if she was already a representative of India to the UN. It should be noted that though it is said that she was an adviser to the UN mission, Section 16 of the 1946 UN General Convention on Privileges and Immunities states that

“the expression “representatives” shall be deemed to include all delegates, deputy delegates, advisers, technical experts and secretaries of delegations.”

The key question is whether Ms Khobragade was indeed a member of the Indian mission to the UN when arrested. It may be asked whether she could have been a member without the US’ consent [I do not know whether such agreement existed or not]. In Reuters report, it is stated that:

“According to the U.N. Manual of Protocol website (www.un.int/protocol/3_6.html), U.N. accreditation alone does not appear to grant diplomatic immunity, it simply gives Khobragade access to U.N. headquarters in New York. . . The manual says a country’s U.N. ambassador must write to the U.N. secretary- general to request privileges and immunities for individual diplomats. The United Nations then submits this to the U.S. mission to the United Nations for approval.”

This statement is correct in outlining the procedure that is followed. However, it is not correct to suggest that there is no entitlement to immunity without US consent. In my previous post I noted that resident representatives of states to the UN are entitled to full diplomatic immunity under Section 15 of the UN/US Headquarters Agreement. However, entitlement to such immunity is dependent on trilateral agreement between the US, the UN and the state concerned. As noted in my previous post, there is a question as to whether this agreement needs to be given in each case or whether agreement as to categories of staff that fall within the category of those entitled to diplomatic immunity suffices. [See the discussion in the UN Repertory of Practice, Supplement No. 3, Vol 4. (paras. 68 – 69)]. The resolution to this question will affect whether Ms Khobragade will have full diplomatic immunity now that India has transferred to the India Mission to the UN for more than a temporary period. That full diplomatic immunity will prevent her from being prosecuted for as long as she remains a resident representative of India. As far as I know, the US has not yet consented to her being granted full diplomatic immunity as a part of the Indian mission. .

The question discussed above is not whether Ms Khobragade was entitled to full diplomatic immunity, including immunity from prosecution, but rather whether she is entitled to inviolability and immunity from arrest. The important point to note is that this latter immunity is not just derived from the UN/US Headquarters Agreement but also from the UN General Convention on Privileges and Immunities. The former accords full diplomatic immunity but requires trilateral agreement, the latter accords more limited immunities but does not require agreement between the US, the UN and the state concerned.

On the question of US consent to Ms Khobragade being transferred to the Indian Mission to the UN, first in August on a temporary basis and then in December, it is important to separate two issues. The first is whether there is need for agreement before a person can be admitted as part of the delegation or mission of a UN member. The second is whether such person, having been included in the delegation, is entitled to [full] diplomatic privileges and immunities under the relevant agreement or legislation. With regard to the first question, it is important to note that representatives of member States are not accredited to the host State. Therefore, unlike the case of diplomatic envoys there is no requirement for prior approval (agrément) of the host State (or of the Organization) for the appointment of the head of a UN member’s mission to the UN. Likewise, the concept of persona non grata (as provided for in Article 9 of the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations) does not exist with regard to representatives of member States and a host State is therefore not entitled to consider them unacceptable prior to their arrival nor, as a general matter to request their departure (except as provided for in Section 13 of the UN/US Headquarters Agreement and in the US reservation to the UN General Convention). This means that the UN member state concerned is free to designate such representatives as it wishes without having to obtain the consent of the US to that designation. However, the fact that there is no general requirement for host State to consent to the inclusion of a person as member of a permanent mission does not necessarily exhaust the question whether host state consent is required for the granting of certain privileges and immunities to the representative. The fact that a person is a member of a permanent mission generates an entitlement under the Charter and the UN General Convention to functional immunities and to inviolability. This is the minimum that all representatives are entitled to.

As noted above and in my previous post, whether Ms Khobragade is entitled to broader diplomatic privileges and immunities under the US/UN Headquarters which will prevent her from being prosecuted will depend on the view that one takes of the requirement of trilateral agreement between the US, the UN and the state concerned. My tentative view (i.e I may change my mind on this one!) on whether the US consent can be on a case by case basis is that it may be case by case and that withholding of US consent can deny full diplomatic immunity.




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ramar2005   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 07-01-14 07:11:45

Reading or attempting to read FH article only made that justice for Devyani in a US Court of Law is going to be like searching for the needle in a haystack. But it will be good for the lawyers on either side making good money with sufficient aid given to or by the media.

Everything is corporate, everything is money. Sinning, brooding over it, repenting and writing a book about the sins committed can also make good money, instead of doing a hard day's work.

Tamil lyricist Kannadasan wrote "Dharmathin Kannai Katti, Naragathil Aada Vittu, Idhu thaney Nagareekam Enbaar, Nambi Evar Evaro Ingu Vandhar". Crudely translated, it means "Eyes of the Dharam Devata are tied, made to dance in Hell, say this is what culture and civilization is, believing this all made their trip to Hell".


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