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Shakti Mills gang-rape accused assaulted 10 women in 6 months




san-hugo
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huh , why surprised ? these things (particularily with women) been happening for ages, ours is a rotten culture . We were wrongly taught to be proud of our values (when young and naive). Since my puberty I been searching for values in our culture that makes sense. Except the social pressure (or baap ka danda) to complete the education degrees (by hook or crook) and condemation of high school dropping , I personally see no and No other good value in indian setup. prove me wrong, I am upping my sleeves...

 
Post ID: 206627 05-09-13 23:28:08
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elmer fudd
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Wonder why such things don't happen here ... Law enforcement ...

Law enforcement is absent in India and it emboldens the criminals ..




Don't believe in the infinite superiority of the western justice system or society over Indian one based on news media here and the media in India.

I volunteer at ground-zero level of society in my free time in certain organizations, interact with police(sometimes work with them) and deal with all kinds of cases(just-released prisoners, addicts, mentally challenged, homeless, natives, abusers, abused etc) here in Canada.

My day job is in a white collar office environment and the contrast couldn't more bizarre. I get a front row seat to see the same.

Crime and punishment(or lack of it) here is lot worse than what is reported in news. Just to give you an example, a guy raped two small girls recently(both under 10). He's a repeat offender(has been sentenced before for molesting kids) and guess what his sentence was? 10 months in prison and dude was back on the streets demanding access to social services from charitable organizations and govt. He visited us as well, but we referred him elsewhere.

Sure, things are way worse now than before in India and deserving stronger enforcement of law, however it is not even close to extent of abuse prevailing in these societies.

Even when the law is enforced, the results can be ridiculous as in the example I quoted. Law enforcement is lax all across the globe. India better get its act together outside the advise given by west. A few executions would make sure the message is clear to one and all.


 
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Post ID: 206628 06-09-13 00:15:44
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ramar2005
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Shakti Mills gang-rape accused assaulted 10 women in 6 months
These criminals deserve death sentence, nothing less.

In addition, the role of the factory management also needs to be probed.
How they were allowed to "maintain" the ruins of the factory in the heart of the city. It is possible they were greedy waiting for the real estate price to increase. Or they might have taken bank loans, lined up their own pockets, leaving the organisation to rot. The workers left in the lurch might have their own tales of woe.

The factory management is equally responsible for the environmental degradation in every aspect and must be made to pay a price.

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In addition, the role of the factory management also needs to be probed.
How they were allowed to "maintain" the ruins of the factory in the heart of the city.
The factory management is equally responsible for the environmental degradation in every aspect and must be made to pay a price.


There is no management..there is no owner..there are many such mills /factories are sitting there in legal mambo jambo. So coming back to full circle, it is legal system that needs to be made responsible....

and the problem is not of factories, for such crimes as you witnessed farms/bus/car/a corner etc can be conveniently used so you cannot make the management of such facilities responsible.
Victims should be encouraged to expose such criminals or they will continue to commit crimes. There should social awareness along with strict implementation of law. If the very first victim would have spoken, it could have saved others....


 
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Post ID: 206637 06-09-13 09:28:10
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Originally posted by Fido

Wonder why such things don't happen here ... Law enforcement ...

Law enforcement is absent in India and it emboldens the criminals ..


Such things do happen over here as well..not only here, every where in the world. This is such a crime where victim carries the guilt of criminality. The overall attitude needs to be changed. Criminal, not the victim should make feel guilty. Whoever commits such henious crime should be exposed...exposed over linked in, facebook, twitter...make him feel guilty. Everyone should be lookiung at him as criminal and not the one who was victim. but we are far from there. There are other elements who also could take disadvantage of such things to take revenge.




True it happens in every part of the world but if you compare the proportions you will find it negligible here ... same goes for eve teasing , burglaries and other crimes as well .

Twitter FB and other social aware ness is a nice thing to have .... But what is most effective in such cases is Law Enforcement .

If you have suffered from a crime , either the Police in India does not entertain you or if they do it is for bribe or lip service ..This lack of enforcement emboldens the criminal element as they learn that no one is going to come after them and continue their crime spree ... where as the police men are busy extracting bribes some where or ' showing their might' on the public ...

Ethics , service , accountability is missing and corruption is in abundance ..Thus leading to an increase in crime ....

2/3rd of the rapes and crimes go un reported as the public feels that the Police would do nothing to help them .... 5 years back I inquired of a car mechanic while my car was getting repaired of a covert conversation he was having with another person .. He revealed to me that some woman from this other person's relation was raped and the Police was asking Rs 10K for registering the crime ....

The cancer in Indian Law Enforcement has reached the blood vessels .... Would need a complete re transplant .... and the situation in worse at the middle level and lower level rather than at the IPS levels ...


As an example in a city the DM & the SSP disguised as normal people drove a motorcycle after flashing the information that such a vehicle had been stolen and also providing the description of the clothes and the thieves ...... After an hour of riding in the city and after crossing at least 10 Police check points , they were not stopped even at a single one !!!!


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Post ID: 206644 06-09-13 12:55:26
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MKBLR
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The mill property is a prime real estate which is in court right now due to ownership issues. So no one gives a damn about it till the ruling comes.

Many of the criminal's parents have got birth certificate made (by bribing) that says they are below 16 or 18 yrs old. The parents knew what their sons were upto. Currently lot of parents in the slums in Mumbai are getting the birth certificate made that shows their sons are minors though they are 20+ in age.

Our legal/judicial system needs a complete overhaul. Anyone can get a bail. I am surprised that these criminals did not get a bail, probably due to public pressure. Else they would have come out on bail and start harassing the victim and her family.


 
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huh , why surprised ? these things (particularily with women) been happening for ages, ours is a rotten culture . We were wrongly taught to be proud of our values (when young and naive). Since my puberty I been searching for values in our culture that makes sense. Except the social pressure (or baap ka danda) to complete the education degrees (by hook or crook) and condemation of high school dropping , I personally see no and No other good value in indian setup. prove me wrong, I am upping my sleeves...



I fully Agree with San-hugo. Unfortunately, it is reality ..A false value system was built which many does't want to accept. The main culprits are illiteracy, too much population, unemployment and poverty. There is no quick solution .... it will be a long long way to see the improvements if the system is cleaned which is possible only if there are honest politicians at the apex .... soon laws are going to be amended so that even supreme court can't stop goons in the jail contesting in the elections.


 
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Originally posted by san-hugo


huh , why surprised ? these things (particularily with women) been happening for ages, ours is a rotten culture . We were wrongly taught to be proud of our values (when young and naive). Since my puberty I been searching for values in our culture that makes sense. Except the social pressure (or baap ka danda) to complete the education degrees (by hook or crook) and condemation of high school dropping , I personally see no and No other good value in indian setup. prove me wrong, I am upping my sleeves...



I fully Agree with San-hugo. Unfortunately, it is reality ..A false value system was built which many does't want to accept. The main culprits are illiteracy, too much population, unemployment and poverty. There is no quick solution .... it will be a long long way to see the improvements if the system is cleaned which is possible only if there are honest politicians at the apex .... soon laws are going to be amended so that even supreme court can't stop goons in the jail contesting in the elections.



It is a shift in the moral values. A few decades back, the corrupt and criminals were seen as downgraded and disrespectful. They try to hide and were not acceptable in the society. Nowadays, being corrupt is Okay and people disclose how much they earn under the table, with pride and there is no element of shame in it. With new amendment of law where criminals will be able to contest (in second amendment, they may be able to continue participate in assemblies even after declared as criminal) we are paving a path where criminal will be acceptable in the society. This is nothing but a moral decay of the society. It is fuelled by the political parties as all of them have criminal elements and there is no desire to get rid of them. On issues like to keep them under RTI or disqualify to contest from prison, they openly agreed and shamelessly join hands. It shows their lack of morality and the same will flow down to the general society. A leader is supposed to set good example to be followed by others but it is not happening for last few decades.

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huh , why surprised ? these things (particularily with women) been happening for ages, ours is a rotten culture . We were wrongly taught to be proud of our values (when young and naive). Since my puberty I been searching for values in our culture that makes sense. Except the social pressure (or baap ka danda) to complete the education degrees (by hook or crook) and condemation of high school dropping , I personally see no and No other good value in indian setup. prove me wrong, I am upping my sleeves...



I fully Agree with San-hugo. Unfortunately, it is reality ..A false value system was built which many does't want to accept. The main culprits are illiteracy, too much population, unemployment and poverty. There is no quick solution .... it will be a long long way to see the improvements if the system is cleaned which is possible only if there are honest politicians at the apex .... soon laws are going to be amended so that even supreme court can't stop goons in the jail contesting in the elections.



For one I agree with San-hugo. The cultural degradation of India is astounding. However, if you ask any liberal moron, he would blame it on poverty. I was raised in abject poverty (and still I am poor, doing labour job in Canada) but I did not turn out to be a criminal. The cultural degradation phenomenon is quite complex and one can fill up thousands of pages discussing that.

Having said that, one thing missing from whole social media uproar is a serious but politically incorrect discussion about the composition of the criminal class. When the PM of country is a criminal looting the nation and his master his amassed Billions of rupees illegally, it spawns the culture of corruption. What do you expect from minions when their leaders have no morality?

Surprisingly, no one in paid media even brought up what a disgusting ex Chief Justice of Supreme Court said in relation to rape. KGB said that rape victim should be married off to the rapist! And you guys are discussing about strengthening law and order.

Nations do not die. They commit Harakiri. The first step is cultural Harakiri- the rest follows. Nehru unfortunately set India, upon worshipping false Gods. The results are now obvious. The dynasty is now firmly rooted. I wish India disintegrates so that at least a few Western and southern provinces survives before Cancer spreads to them too.


 
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san-hugo
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Not that I am happy about the encouragement of expressing such thoughts, but through criticism we improve ( but traditionally, criticism of rules set by elders/pundits/mullas/gurus/outdated books are banned in my beloved India )

Well, I have been to even poorer countries (e.g, east European clans), people are not so educated or are just about meeting ends but they do not spit around, litter , they keep their surroundings clean. Hygiene and human safety is paramount and taught by mothers to kids. Respect for women and seniors imbibed . Seen plentiful of Honesty and truthfulness and do not take short routes to complete a job. I attended marriages in remote villages in europe & NA ( out of my interest to reach out to cultures), Discovered that there exists civilized way of celebrating, drinking no matter excessive, dancing and respecting Whereas in our culture kids grow with imbibed thoughts that some humans are inferior in society, some are more close to god than others, arrogance is a fair conduct, public property is to be abused, touching feets & suffixing 'jee' to a names completes the duties of being respectful and loving.

We are the most educated lots in whole world but our conduct and priorities continue to degrade. clearly books do not teach everything. Our ancestors were the illogical rigid SOBs , so are we. So much that we are infesting some part of Canada as well.



 
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