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Posted on: 09-11-11 21:15:58
Quote:you are right, I was thinking of the old rules.
Originally posted by sant
well you need to check your facts about english speaking countries have to take the ESL exam or not .
everybody has to take it .
but that still doesn't change the fact that your claim that the points were reduced simply because "white" people could not qualify under the higher points is totally baseless.
on what basis are you claiming that?
can you show me a sample calculation of points on how for example a British or American educated white person won't get the points that a south asian will get with equivalent qualifications and experience?
what you are suggesting is so patently false that i don't know what to say.
who is being racist here?
in any case the points were reduced by the liberal govt. - long before the conservatives had power and long before Stephen Harper was even the leader of the cons. party.
Quote:but the rule are same for everyone!!
rules were changed but nobody jumped the queue in 2002 unlike in harper/kenney's kingdom.
the new NOC codes are totally race, color, religion agnostic.
there is nothing in there that favors a white person vs. an asian person.
btw I'm glad you are no fan of McGuinty either...that makes two of us.
Quote:matter of opinion.
Originally posted by Desi # 1
So you are saying spending $1billion is correct.
I have explained previously why I think this is not as bad as the leftists make it out to be.
it was an excellent opportunity for Canada to showcase its economic success, natural beauty and financial stability.
but the leftist protestors ruined it and made it look like Canada is some banana republic like Greece.
and most importantly : had it not been for the anarchist protestors, the cost would have been a lot less
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you consider public sector pensions as a rip off....
absolutely!! not for those that get those pensions of course.
but for the rest of us that have to pay for it.
it's the biggest scam going in town.
the public sector pension system set up by the liberals and much much expanded in recent times, esp. at provincial levels are a huge drain on public finances.
why else do you think our taxes keep increasing like this?
what is the justification of the majority of private sector workers not having pensions while a small % of workers in the public sector hog all the tax money to pay for their cushy retirements.
do you have any idea what a typical guaranteed inflation indexed lifetime pension in the public sector is worth?
Quote:they have the will and the desire to change it, but no one is gonna let them.
Do you think conservative has power to change it and will change it?
esp. the unions.
did you see what has been happening with the Air Canada and canada post strikes and how the unions are holding the whole country hostage to their outrageous demands?
this is what you get with ultra liberal government ruling like monopolies for 30+ years.
the unions and the public sector are bankrupting the whole country and sucking our tax money like leeches.
the real scam is not immigration but the union and public sector pay, benefits and pensions.
Quote:i believe in the US you cannot sponsor parents until you are a citizen, which takes much longer than canada.
Originally posted by DesiBabu70
The only reason US provides GC for parents quickly is that they dont have to pay for their medical expenses..
in the US, a GC takes the longest among all countries providing PR.
typical timeline in US is:
H-1B + GC = 7 years
Citizenship = 5 years
sponsor parents = 5 years
total time approx. = 15 to 17 years
some are very lucky that get GC sponsored simultaneously with H-1B in the first year or so.
for them the timeline is less but it's still not less than 10 yrs. in best case scenario.
1. The highlighted number is just flat out wrong. I know someone personally who applied for her parents immigration recently and they got it in less than a year.
2. Not everyone gets a GC the H1B route. You took the worst case scenario to make your point (even those numbers are not factual as demonstrated above). For someone who gets GC from the marriage route, the whole timeline is a shorter than comparable timeframes in Canada now.
You might not be an agent of the Tories, but you're certainly fair and balanced in the "fox news" kind of way
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Quote:and my aunt just finished immigrating her parents into the US after nearly a 6 year wait including consular interviews and buying very expensive health insurance.
Originally posted by BlueLobster
1. The highlighted number is just flat out wrong. I know someone personally who applied for her parents immigration recently and they got it in less than a year.
what is your point?
if you are saying that end-to-end immigration of parents in the US is faster than Canada, that is just plain wrong, barring individual anecdotal cases.
canada is the only country right now with the most open immigration policy including parents immigration.
is there anyone here that truly believes their parents immigration would have been faster in the US, end-to-end?
It is a fact, not a belief. A Cdn. citizen applying for their parents immigration will wait years, whereas a US citizen will get it within a year. What part of that are you disputing with facts rather than propaganda?
And I do agree that the already burdened system will not react well to lots of elderly immigrants in the future, however there could be a compromise solution offered to citizens who'd still like their parents here without a 7 yr. wait sans the full health coverage, similar to the US. A lot of people are complaining that option is not on the table right now.
I haven't seen any racist agendas from the Harper govt. so I don't think they're racist. I actually voted for the Tories in the last federal election. But I don't mind calling them out when they're wrong, something beyond the comprehension of a propagandist like yourself.
And quit writing these long essays, i know you have a lot of time on your hand. Start making factual points. What can the current govt. do for people who want to sponsor their parents?
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Originally posted by DesiBabu70
Quote:you are right, I was thinking of the old rules.
Originally posted by sant
well you need to check your facts about english speaking countries have to take the ESL exam or not .
everybody has to take it .
but that still doesn't change the fact that your claim that the points were reduced simply because "white" people could not qualify under the higher points is totally baseless.
on what basis are you claiming that?
can you show me a sample calculation of points on how for example a British or American educated white person won't get the points that a south asian will get with equivalent qualifications and experience?
what you are suggesting is so patently false that i don't know what to say.
who is being racist here?
in any case the points were reduced by the liberal govt. - long before the conservatives had power and long before Stephen Harper was even the leader of the cons. party.
Quote:but the rule are same for everyone!!
rules were changed but nobody jumped the queue in 2002 unlike in harper/kenney's kingdom.
the new NOC codes are totally race, color, religion agnostic.
there is nothing in there that favors a white person vs. an asian person.
btw I'm glad you are no fan of McGuinty either...that makes two of us.
First of all thanks for atleast accepting that everybody has to take english exams to prove their knowledge of english .
Next I have never mentioned race or racist anywhere so far.
I have just raised the point that it is conservatives who have made people jump the Queue
( People waiting in line since 2004 and in some cases 2003 are still waiting and there seems to be no hope for them in near future, the way system is being manipulated, and people who applied six months ago are already PR )
now who has forgotten ( CONVENIENTLY ) about the question I raised, its not me my friend
Quote:ok, maybe not, but the racism card is being played so often by so many up thread that i mixed up who said what.
Originally posted by sant
Next I have never mentioned race or racist anywhere so far.
i see now that it was sguk that was pitching this racial agenda.
you were wrong though that the points were reduced because of any racial agenda (i.e. whites could not qualify).
there is no evidence of this.
can you post a sample calculation of how an asian can qualify but a "white" can't?
Quote:I didn't ignore the question, I thought I did answer it as best I could.
I have just raised the point that it is conservatives who have made people jump the Queue
( People waiting in line since 2004 and in some cases 2003 are still waiting and there seems to be no hope for them in near future, the way system is being manipulated, and people who applied six months ago are already PR )
now who has forgotten ( CONVENIENTLY ) about the question I raised, its not me my friend
anyhow, here's what I think happened with that.
the Jean Cretchin govt. changed the rules in 2003 - agreed?
they put all the pre 2003 applications on hold and told the applicants to either update their files, re-apply, or withdraw their applications, or just forget about it - agreed?
they left the pre 2003 applicants in limbo.
I distinctly remember this because many applicants joined together and launched a class action lawsuit against the govt.
to placate them, the govt. said fine, stay in the queue, we will assess your application when the time comes.
reality is that they never intended to.
the other thing that the liberal govt. did back in 2001 or 2002 (i forget exactly when) is that stipulated you could apply only from your country of residence or citizenship, and not from any other country.
before that it was possible to lodge your application in any PR processing post.
i recall that many indians used to get processed through London, Sao Paulo, US etc.
the liberal govt. put a stop to that.
as a result, applicants from india were stuck in the long queues in new delhi.
all this was still Jean Cretchin/Paul Martin govt.
Long before Stephen Harper's time.
what the conservative govt. did do was restrict the job codes that can apply for skilled worker category moving forward.
this was done to meet the requirements of the economy and the job market.
nothing wrong with that.
also, keep in mind that those changes in bill C-50 were supported by the liberals in parliament.
you may not agree with those, but the fact is that those changes were voted in and passed by majority vote of the two largest parties (conservatives and liberals) in parliament.
the NDP voted against, and the Bloc as usual walked out (surprise, surprise).
the fact is that the immigration system was bloated and broken long before Harper's time.
the system was abused and bloated by the liberals all through the 1990s and early 2000s.
the conservatives had nothing whatsoever to do with it.
if anyone believes that the liberals are immigrant friendly and out of the goodness of their hearts want to create an immigrant paradise, time to wake up.
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Originally posted by BlueLobster
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Originally posted by DesiBabu70
You might not be an agent of the Tories, but you're certainly fair and balanced in the "fox news" kind of way
Well said Blue Lobster.....
Fair and Balanced in Fox news style....all commentators have conservative agenda...
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