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Posted on: 04-05-11 10:13:43
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Originally posted by homer729
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Originally posted by sanchita
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Originally posted by homer729
Nonsense, a minority government kept Harper in check. Keeps politicians on their toes and prevents them from doing whatever they want out of fear of an election. You can expect the following things as a result, many of them to be passed very soon.
1) Canadian DMCA. New laws may even force ISPs to reveal their customers' identities to RIAA/CRIA/MPAA.
2) Goodbye any hope of net neutrality! No CRTC reform, for sure. Harper loves his Bell and Rogers ex-VPs that sit on the CRTC. Canada will continue to have the most expensive and poorest phone/internet infrastructure in the developed world.
3) More people going to jail for marijuana, wasting taxpayer money
4) Immigration cutbacks. Have to make sure no more dirty desis clog up hospital waiting rooms!
5) Private prisons, along with needless laws that will increase the number of people going to jail. Prison as a place for rehabilitation instead of punishment? Oh you can forget about that. That's not the conservative way!
Very disappointed in Canada today.
Did you have anything different in Liberals rule? Didn't we have only Bell, Rogers and Telus? Don't you want criminals to go to jail? Do you want to them to hover around your home and your children? Have you ever been inside the hospitals? Patients are waiting hours to see a doctor and you want them to wait longer? Do you want old parents and grandparents to die without medical treatment? Mindless immigration will lead to this.
Okay I'll bite.
1) Yes, we had only Bell, Rogers and Telus. However, if you look at http://www.openmedia.ca/survey" target="_blank">http://www.openmedia.ca/survey</a>, you can very clearly see that the Conservatives have the poorest open media platform. Sure, the Liberals could have done something about it when they were in power, but when they were back in 2006, the issue of usage-based billing, ridiculous bandwidth caps (have you checked the internet plans available recently - $5/GB for overage use? what the hell?) simply were not on the horizon. I remember a few years ago when Bell Sympatico had unlimited internet plans for $39.95. Now we pay more for less service, and have few, if any, competitors.
2) No, I do not want 20-year olds to go to jail for smoking a joint. Calling such people \"criminals\" is just foolish. I do not want young girls in East Vancouver who ran away from home and are sex slaves to their pimp masters to be thrown into jail and waste their young years with little hope for rehabilitation. I do not want funding to be cut to women's centers and to Planned Parenthood. Yes, crime is a social ill and we need to fix it. However, building more jails and passing more laws to appear \"tough\" on crime, does not address the roots of these problems. It only makes soccer moms feel better. The way to address these is to broaden the social safety net, not cut it. Want proof? Compare the quality of life in Scandinavia to the United States.
If I have to pay a little extra to live in a society that cares about its neighbors, I am okay with that. The social democratic welfare state is one of the greatest achievements of human civilization. It is a tragedy that corporations are trying their best to convince us otherwise, and are succeeding in this campaign.
3) Yes, I have been inside busy Toronto-area hospitals. I did research in one for several months. In fact, I have even waited all night from 9 p.m. to 5 a.m. in the emergency room, waiting for my mother to get treated as she was assigned a very low triage level. Sure, I was very angry at the time. However, now that I think about it, we should not have gone to the emergency room for her condition.
There are things that need fixing in our system - certainly. Build more MRI/Xray/outpatient facilities, recruit more doctors, build more medical schools, more hospitals. However, moving to a private model or a two-tier model makes no sense. A two-tier model will inevitably leave the public half understaffed and underpaid. A private model will lead to the creation of twenty private, for-profit insurance companies that are all doing the job that one single payer (currently the state) can do. Waste of money.
The idea of having to be employed just so that you can stay healthy benefits no one other than corporations. And saying old people are just dying in our hospitals left and right is just a gross lie. Back it up with facts.
Before you bring up the recent story of Baby Joseph, I support the decision that the doctors made. It does not make sense to spend absurd amounts of money, from the taxpayers' pocket, to prolong the life of a terminally ill baby by a few minute fractions of its lifespan. Of course the American hospital was more than willing to treat the baby, as a religious organization was able to milk its donors for the money, who don't have their priorities straight. In the USA, the family would have most likely not even able to afford the procedure in the first place, and have had to declare bankruptcy if they tried!
4) I am fine with our immigration system the way it is. There is no need to cut family immigration quotas even further, as Harper is clearly intent on doing. Yes, any welfare state cannot have completely open borders, or its social support system will collapse. However, cutting immigration quotas is hypocritical for a wealthy country made up almost entirely of immigrants. You got here first, so now you get to tell people to GTFO?
Okay, now that we got those out of the way.
- Why do the Conservatives have a reputation of being fiscally smart? They are in fact very good at turning surpluses they inherited into deficits!
- Why does Harper get any credit for steering Canada from complete economic collapse? That was largely due to regulations being in place from long ago that prevented Canadian banks from giving out subprime loans and issuing mortgage-backed securities, and due to Canada's economy relying to a greater extent on natural resources.
- Blowing a billion dollars on the G20 summit, violating civil rights, building an artificial lake - does no one remember?
- Proroguing parliament - In Dec 2009, Harper asked the GG to \"prorogue\" parliament, in effect shut it down temporarily for a few months so that he could run away from a vote of non-confidence. This was disgusting and incredibly anti-democratic. Yes, the Liberals also used it in 2002, but keep in mind that they aren't in power right now. Harper is.
- Why do we need to spend billions on new fighter jets? Who are we fighting against?
- The Bev Oda corruption scandal, being held in contempt of parliament, and Harper gets rewarded with a majority?
To the poster that asked me sarcastically \"ARE YOU SCARED?\" when I wrote about ISPs colluding with the CRIA/MPAA/RIAA -- it is easy to assume that only evil pirates need to worry (and by extension, that I am such an evil pirate). However, the issue of net neutrality is one we should care a lot about, especially in an era when the big internet service providers are owned by giant media conglomerates. Already, we see plans being offered where Bell does not count the bandwidth used from its own streaming services. One can easily imagine a future where packets are prioritized, with content providers having to pay ISPs for their packets to reach consumers faster, etc. An open internet is essential for the future of our democracy. Others have written far more eloquently about this than I. Check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_neutrality" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_neutrality</a> for an introduction to this if you care.
A truly neutral network requires legislation - it will never arise out of a free market as it works against the interests of big corporations that own both content delivery services and ISPs.
1. CRTC has members from Bell, Rogers and Telus. Whatever CRTC says it is meant to satisfy the members. Whoever is in power does not bother them. It is the giant telecommunication companies who rule. Yes, competition can reduce their power and it can be by opening the market. Think how India's telecommunication was 30 years back and compare it now. Stephen Harper is trying to move little bit in that direction though there is a lot of opposition.
2. Nobody puts a 20 year old to jail for smoking a joint but when they sell their stuff to other kids, yes they need to be put in jail. You will not want your kids to start drugs at the age of 15, do you? You will not want your kids to be shot by some other kid if they go to a friend's part or you will not mind because they are juveniles? Yes what you are talking about is a lax society which pardons juveniles for crimes.
3. Thank god your mother did not have an emergency situation but think if she had one what would have happened. The long wait at the hospital for old people is unbearable and you are asking for more old and sick folks from other countries. My grandfather was a heart patient and he lived 12 years with that and he needed doctors at the drop of a hat. I shudder to think what would have happened if he were here. Have you ever been to a government hospital in India? It is swarming with patients with very few doctors to attend. Those who can afford go to the private hospitals. There should be an option here too. If you do not have insurance go to the government hospitals and if you have go to the private ones.
4. USA was made of immigrants and they don't allow everyone in. There should be a quality control. You came to Canada because Canada is wealthy and beautiful and to keep it this way they need to restrict immigration specially family immigration who never helps the economy. If they don't it is going to be another third world country from where you will want to run away. Yes, this is the bitter truth. Skilled categories need to be controlled too because before they let them in, they have to create jobs for the new immigrants otherwise unemployment goes high.
I hope I could answer all your questions.
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Originally posted by meghal
Conservatives defeat Liberals in 905. Dhalla and Bains are out.
What are desis thinking
It seems Desi s have started thinking from their head now .. not from heart
I dont really concerned abouit more or less imiigration. I am concerned over all life in Canada for those who are living here.. I dont see Liberals any better.
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Originally posted by homer729
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Originally posted by sanchita
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Originally posted by homer729
Nonsense, a minority government kept Harper in check. Keeps politicians on their toes and prevents them from doing whatever they want out of fear of an election. You can expect the following things as a result, many of them to be passed very soon.
1) Canadian DMCA. New laws may even force ISPs to reveal their customers' identities to RIAA/CRIA/MPAA.
2) Goodbye any hope of net neutrality! No CRTC reform, for sure. Harper loves his Bell and Rogers ex-VPs that sit on the CRTC. Canada will continue to have the most expensive and poorest phone/internet infrastructure in the developed world.
3) More people going to jail for marijuana, wasting taxpayer money
4) Immigration cutbacks. Have to make sure no more dirty desis clog up hospital waiting rooms!
5) Private prisons, along with needless laws that will increase the number of people going to jail. Prison as a place for rehabilitation instead of punishment? Oh you can forget about that. That's not the conservative way!
Very disappointed in Canada today.
Did you have anything different in Liberals rule? Didn't we have only Bell, Rogers and Telus? Don't you want criminals to go to jail? Do you want to them to hover around your home and your children? Have you ever been inside the hospitals? Patients are waiting hours to see a doctor and you want them to wait longer? Do you want old parents and grandparents to die without medical treatment? Mindless immigration will lead to this.
Okay I'll bite.
1) Yes, we had only Bell, Rogers and Telus. However, if you look at http://www.openmedia.ca/survey" target="_blank">http://www.openmedia.ca/survey</a>, you can very clearly see that the Conservatives have the poorest open media platform. Sure, the Liberals could have done something about it when they were in power, but when they were back in 2006, the issue of usage-based billing, ridiculous bandwidth caps (have you checked the internet plans available recently - $5/GB for overage use? what the hell?) simply were not on the horizon. I remember a few years ago when Bell Sympatico had unlimited internet plans for $39.95. Now we pay more for less service, and have few, if any, competitors.
2) No, I do not want 20-year olds to go to jail for smoking a joint. Calling such people \"criminals\" is just foolish. I do not want young girls in East Vancouver who ran away from home and are sex slaves to their pimp masters to be thrown into jail and waste their young years with little hope for rehabilitation. I do not want funding to be cut to women's centers and to Planned Parenthood. Yes, crime is a social ill and we need to fix it. However, building more jails and passing more laws to appear \"tough\" on crime, does not address the roots of these problems. It only makes soccer moms feel better. The way to address these is to broaden the social safety net, not cut it. Want proof? Compare the quality of life in Scandinavia to the United States.
If I have to pay a little extra to live in a society that cares about its neighbors, I am okay with that. The social democratic welfare state is one of the greatest achievements of human civilization. It is a tragedy that corporations are trying their best to convince us otherwise, and are succeeding in this campaign.
3) Yes, I have been inside busy Toronto-area hospitals. I did research in one for several months. In fact, I have even waited all night from 9 p.m. to 5 a.m. in the emergency room, waiting for my mother to get treated as she was assigned a very low triage level. Sure, I was very angry at the time. However, now that I think about it, we should not have gone to the emergency room for her condition.
There are things that need fixing in our system - certainly. Build more MRI/Xray/outpatient facilities, recruit more doctors, build more medical schools, more hospitals. However, moving to a private model or a two-tier model makes no sense. A two-tier model will inevitably leave the public half understaffed and underpaid. A private model will lead to the creation of twenty private, for-profit insurance companies that are all doing the job that one single payer (currently the state) can do. Waste of money.
The idea of having to be employed just so that you can stay healthy benefits no one other than corporations. And saying old people are just dying in our hospitals left and right is just a gross lie. Back it up with facts.
Before you bring up the recent story of Baby Joseph, I support the decision that the doctors made. It does not make sense to spend absurd amounts of money, from the taxpayers' pocket, to prolong the life of a terminally ill baby by a few minute fractions of its lifespan. Of course the American hospital was more than willing to treat the baby, as a religious organization was able to milk its donors for the money, who don't have their priorities straight. In the USA, the family would have most likely not even able to afford the procedure in the first place, and have had to declare bankruptcy if they tried!
4) I am fine with our immigration system the way it is. There is no need to cut family immigration quotas even further, as Harper is clearly intent on doing. Yes, any welfare state cannot have completely open borders, or its social support system will collapse. However, cutting immigration quotas is hypocritical for a wealthy country made up almost entirely of immigrants. You got here first, so now you get to tell people to GTFO?
Okay, now that we got those out of the way.
- Why do the Conservatives have a reputation of being fiscally smart? They are in fact very good at turning surpluses they inherited into deficits!
- Why does Harper get any credit for steering Canada from complete economic collapse? That was largely due to regulations being in place from long ago that prevented Canadian banks from giving out subprime loans and issuing mortgage-backed securities, and due to Canada's economy relying to a greater extent on natural resources.
- Blowing a billion dollars on the G20 summit, violating civil rights, building an artificial lake - does no one remember?
- Proroguing parliament - In Dec 2009, Harper asked the GG to \"prorogue\" parliament, in effect shut it down temporarily for a few months so that he could run away from a vote of non-confidence. This was disgusting and incredibly anti-democratic. Yes, the Liberals also used it in 2002, but keep in mind that they aren't in power right now. Harper is.
- Why do we need to spend billions on new fighter jets? Who are we fighting against?
- The Bev Oda corruption scandal, being held in contempt of parliament, and Harper gets rewarded with a majority?
To the poster that asked me sarcastically \"ARE YOU SCARED?\" when I wrote about ISPs colluding with the CRIA/MPAA/RIAA -- it is easy to assume that only evil pirates need to worry (and by extension, that I am such an evil pirate). However, the issue of net neutrality is one we should care a lot about, especially in an era when the big internet service providers are owned by giant media conglomerates. Already, we see plans being offered where Bell does not count the bandwidth used from its own streaming services. One can easily imagine a future where packets are prioritized, with content providers having to pay ISPs for their packets to reach consumers faster, etc. An open internet is essential for the future of our democracy. Others have written far more eloquently about this than I. Check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_neutrality" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_neutrality</a> for an introduction to this if you care.
A truly neutral network requires legislation - it will never arise out of a free market as it works against the interests of big corporations that own both content delivery services and ISPs.
I am from West Bengal, India. I have spent my 22 years under Communist rule and I know what does NDP mean. No jobs, only immigration to the point that the system breaks. NDP is nothing but white CPI(M). All young people ran away from CPI(M) and you can find them everywhere in India. We know the pain of being under left rule.
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http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/05/05/anti-islamic-political-leader-geert-wilders-comes-to-canada/
I am not a fan of Islam but my fear is that hate towards Muslims may engulf other visible minorities eventually. Please find the following quote from the article.
“They’re having problems in Europe because of multiculturalism and Canada is no different; we face the same problems,” he said. “People move here and they just create what they had back home. Do I think our culture here is better than it is in other places? Yes. And the people who move here think the same thing, otherwise they wouldn’t move here. The problem though, is when they move here and they don’t become a part of our culture. That’s the problem with multiculturalism that Geert Wilders is talking about.”
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He who has not acquired one of the following: religious merit (dharma), wealth (artha), satisfaction of desires (kama), or liberation (moksa) is repeatedly born to die
sanchita is totally right about the CPIM rule.
those that complain that a conservative govt. deliberately does not give cushy public sector jobs to immigrants don't know the true nature of public sector in Canada.
see, the cushiest jobs are the ones that have job security, union support, pension, guaranteed pay increases every year and protection from having to do much work.
such jobs are only found in regulated or public sector industries and unionized jobs like teachers, health care workers, auto and manufacturing unions, federal and provincial public service commission etc.
the political party that represents the manufacturing and other labor unions is the NDP.
the party representing the public sector is the Liberal.
therefore, if you feel desis are not getting due representation in public sector jobs, the blame rests fairly and squarely on the shoulders of the leftist parties like NDP and Liberals.
they are the most racist parties of all.
Ignatiev cannot fool anyone by campaigning in the GTA wearing a turban and kurta.
Layton sheds crocodile tears about family immigration, but ask him to freely open up union jobs to immigrants and then you will see his true colors.
the way forward for immigrant communities like Indians is not by preserving the oligarchy of the unions and public sector, but by supporting the dismantling of the public sector and the smashing of the unions.
we need to make the public sector more competitive and in line with the private sector.
Public sector must never never become private sector even if they can. Unions are double edged swords.
Public sector is designed to serve the lowerst common denominator wheras private sector can selectively choose their customers.
e.g. If you want to buy a new car and have $10,000 you will go to Kia but if you have $100,000 you will ge to Jaguar. Jaguar dosent want the $10,000 crowd so dosent make any products for them.
Public sector has to serve the $10K and $100K audience.
They have to provide the same level of basic service (water, garbage, police, ambulance) to everyone. Otherwise it will be like
You will get better quality water or your garbage will be picked up more often or Police and ambulance will take lesser time to arrive at your house becuase you pay more taxes than your neighbour.
This does not work.
Unions are double edged swords. It gives workers basic rights. You will not be walked out of your job because management screwed up.
There is a bad side to the unions too and that needs to be corrected.
I have been in Canada for abuot 6 years now and want only 3 things to change.
1) Weather (this is not possible)
2) Healthcare: I want the option of private healthcare at my cost
3) I want us to gradually break out of NAFTA. With the amount of oil found in Alberta we can become another middle east financially
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Live and Let Live
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Originally posted by chittesh
e.g. If you want to buy a new car and have $10,000 you will go to Kia but if you have $100,000 you will ge to Jaguar. Jaguar dosent want the $10,000 crowd so dosent make any products for them.
In Canada I have found cases where people buy Jaguar with even$10,000 and people with $100000 buy million dollar penthouse.
There are implications of such actions too.Quote:
They have to provide the same level of basic service (water, garbage, police, ambulance) to everyone. Otherwise it will be like
You will get better quality water or your garbage will be picked up more often or Police and ambulance will take lesser time to arrive at your house becuase you pay more taxes than your neighbour.
I think all the above services are reasonably well but surprised how many want to pay more taxes than the neighbour?
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You will not be walked out of your job because management screwed up.
I couldn't agree with you more
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I have been in Canada for abuot 6 years now and want only 3 things to change.
1) Weather (this is not possible)
2) Healthcare: I want the option of private healthcare at my cost
3) I want us to gradually break out of NAFTA. With the amount of oil found in Alberta we can become another middle east financially
I like your courage to admit that you want to pay $400-$500 for your family healthcare like people used to spend in US.
For No. 3 if you want to live in Ontario the Alberta boom will not help much Ontario needs to stand on it's own foot and NAFTA is needed for such things to happen
