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Posted on: 21-09-10 23:07:11
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Posted on: 21-09-10 23:07:11
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Originally posted by meghal
I am bit worried if this is the current trend in Indian IT sector.
I think you are not in touch with reality of India.
When I graduated from a top engineering college in Tamil nadu in 1994 (my batch passed out in 93). In those days only 5 or 6 people from the whole passout set would be recruited by software companies. incidentally my brother who graduated in comp. sci in 1994 (top 3) from College of Engg , Guindy, chennai (at par with IIT) did not get a job for 6 months. Only IIT people were considered for software jobs.
in 1995, TCS and the like recruited only comp. sci. first class from Govt. colleges only and that to BE. Then in 1996, they started recruiting BE (all brances , except civil) from Govt. colleges. From 1997, they started recruiting BE from private colleges and 1998 was the boom time of comp. sci. where Bsc, Msc (all comp. sci) MCA. Msc (IT), Bsc. (OR) were recruited from engg. colleges as well as arts colleges. By 2000, due to dot com bubble burst , most people in USA lost jobs first being all the Arts graduates.
Then the hiring started in 2003 where all tom dick and harry were recruited. It may surprise people that many top SAP people working in Canada are 10th std. pass only. Because SAP needs only business knowledge and people can cheat in that. they get hired in india through IT firms and then come to Canada through spousal immigration and then they penetrate the software firms of Canada.
Now in India, no one cares of what you have studied for software jobs. Ofcourse top software firms recruit only graduates but the low software firms recruit even 10th std. fail. For learning SAP or Oracle or Dot. Net you need just to know a few speakable words of English. then these people bribe the companies and get a job and learn on the job. After 6 months of job they are ready to immigrate to USA or Canada or Australia or NZ or UK with the degree of their spouse.
In 1989 when Tamil Nadu introduced private engg. colleges first time, there were no professors available to teach. So most of the private colleges recruited retd. govt. professors in Engineering and science (like physics, maths , statistics etc). The students (incl. reputed govt. engg. collges) did not know a thing when they graduated. The Engineering curriculam in TN is outdated. You learn chemical titration, mech. drafting for a comp. sci. course. years 2-3 1/2 are only supposed to be engineeing (that is 2 1/2 years only). the last 6 montsh are for campus interview planning. most engg. faculty did not know a thing then. that time, Arts and science passouts were very well respected as they had solid professors. Then a trend came that mostly rich boys and girls did engineering and hence they were street smart with their parents money as well as good softskills and village idiots (and mostly poor people ) started learning Bsc physics, MCA, B com, Msc IT etc... So they were taught well but lacked soft skills very much. But the current situation in india is that for every 1000 computer jobs availabe only 900 Indian graduated (incl. B.com, Bsc) are available and so India is left with no option other than to recruit everyone.
On a side note, one of the main reasons as to why the common wealth games is in such a mess is that there is no one for construction. we engineerse have a shortage of young structural engineers as most of them are now in the software business. We have a shortage of labourers / masons as most of them have become garment workers or have started working in well paying private companies like DLF doing flats for parents of software engineers in USA and India as well as software engineers. Most of these talented masons work also in expaning IT offices and constructing new ones. Who will come and work for the low paying common wealth games execution.
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Originally posted by tamilkuravan
On a side note, one of the main reasons as to why the common wealth games is in such a mess is that there is no one for construction. we engineerse have a shortage of young structural engineers as most of them are now in the software business. We have a shortage of labourers / masons as most of them have become garment workers or have started working in well paying private companies like DLF doing flats for parents of software engineers in USA and India as well as software engineers. Most of these talented masons work also in expaning IT offices and constructing new ones. Who will come and work for the low paying common wealth games execution.
Peace
To digress ..... the games are not delayed because of shortage of engineer or labourers. Perhaps you are not in touch with what is construction scene in India ..... the so called"village"is not a government / CPWD made structure but is being built by EMAAR and already the flats are being sold for between 2-4 crores. FYI
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Originally posted by captainbeam
I have no idea who raakhi sawant is, but I bet she can be trained and coached to do the job of your typicall offshore programmer, if she has the interest and desire to learn.
If you don't know who the Rakhi Sawant is then you are missing something in life - she is such an entertainer.
and If you know her n still think she can pull off then hats off to you, u r very positive person.
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Originally posted by captainbeam
If Ram, Shyam and Dhanshyam can do it, why can't Rakhi Sawant?
I'm not saying it is monkey work, but with interest, intelligence and the proper training, it can be done.
Even optimist like you could not put Rakhi Sawant and Intelligence in same sentence/breath.
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Quote:no i seriously didn't know who she is although i suspected she'd be a music or dance composer from that statement.
Originally posted by Maharaj
If you don't know who the Rakhi Sawant is then you are missing something in life - she is such an entertainer.
and If you know her n still think she can pull off then hats off to you, u r very positive person.
Even optimist like you could not put Rakhi Sawant and Intelligence in same sentence/breath.
well if someone has no interest or desire to do something then no amount of training will be enough.
you can bring the horse to the water but you can't make him drink it.
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Originally posted by tamilkuravan
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Originally posted by meghal
I am bit worried if this is the current trend in Indian IT sector.
I think you are not in touch with reality of India.
Peace
TK, a very balanced piece of posting from you, and you exactly know what I am talking about.
When I completed my engineering, there were only 7-8 engineering colleges in entire state (none of them private) and they churned out pretty decent quality graduates.
I am only questioning whether TCS is compromising with its product quality to fulfil the demands.
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Posted by JaiHo
I cleared TCS Exam in the 90s and it is not something that only the 'privileged' class of BE/BTechs can possibly clear. It is not 'Rocket-Science' as it is made out to be here. All you need is a little bit of 'Grey Matter' and BSc/BComm/BAs have that too
Unfortunately, I lack that "grey matter". I couldn't memorise 3000 rarely used English words or solve the logical queries like "all cats are dogs, some dogs are donkeys"
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Posted on: 22-09-10 14:10:03
Location: God's own country
Posted on: 22-09-10 14:10:03
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Originally posted by meghal
I am only questioning whether TCS is compromising with its product quality to fulfil the demands.
So what? It all depends on the supply and the demand.
TCS quotes for a project and says that it needs 100 software engineers to do the job. It may quote for one software engineer 100K USD a year and get the project. It needs 100 people to show. The real brains may be 10-15 bhramins among the lot who do the coding . It pays 50 to 60K a annum and pockets the rest.
This swindling system was not invented by India. It was inveneted by USA. USA follows the same system when quoting for oil / electrical / construction projects in the ME.
TCS is not claiming to do justice to the software industry by claiming that it is working for world peace. It is just a company which has a business model and that model is to earn money at all costs. In the 90's , TCS had very few software projects and the engineers graduating from the colleges were many. So it resorted to exams to filter the people who can be trained as per TCS Vision. The same goes for any other software company in India.
The same situation is there in Canada. Canada needs just software engineers and labourers but then it cheats by saying that it needs millions of immigranst and allows tens of thousands in. The result is that the money from these new immigrants goes to the well established people already here in terms of rent, mortgage, gas, insurance, phone, tv etc...
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Originally posted by tamilkuravan
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Originally posted by meghal
I am only questioning whether TCS is compromising with its product quality to fulfil the demands.
So what? It all depends on the supply and the demand.
Compromising with quality?? Ask why German or Japanese car are better than American. Ask CEOs of Sony/Panasonic or Google/Apple if they would compromise with quality to reach the demand.
Quality is what will draw your customers repeatedly towards you. Compromise with quality, and you get a fiasco called CWG.
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This swindling system was not invented by India. It was inveneted by USA. USA follows the same system when quoting for oil / electrical / construction projects in the ME.
That does not mean Indian companies should copy US companies. It just smacks of bad optics
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TCS is not claiming to do justice to the software industry by claiming that it is working for world peace. It is just a company which has a business model and that model is to earn money at all costs.
Nobody is talking about world peace. You cannot remain in business if you are not consistent in your quality. Sooner or later, you start losing business.
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The same situation is there in Canada. Canada needs just software engineers and labourers but then it cheats by saying that it needs millions of immigranst and allows tens of thousands in. The result is that the money from these new immigrants goes to the well established people already here in terms of rent, mortgage, gas, insurance, phone, tv etc...
Peace
Bad analogy. This has nothing to do with the issue of quality. Do you mean that all the people stuck in rut never try to get out of it?
