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Balasab's words are coming true. He said that Chavan CM of Maharasthra was acting like the security guard at SRK's home.

Now this news. The CM and DPY CM did not know about the terror alert. They are right.

You know why?. In place of safeguarding the people of Maharasthra they were more planning, arm twisting the movie theatre owners and the police of Maharasthra to provide security to the theaters screening MNIK.

It is now known that YB Chavan did not sleep well for the past 7 days due to constant pressure from Soniaji who has personally stepped into protect SRK' s freedom of speech and also his personal business investment. This is well established by the tweets from SRK where he got emboldned after getting the green signal from Janpath Place, New Delhi.

Incidentally during the visit of Rahul Gandhis trip to Maharasthra the home minister personally carried his slippers while the CM carried Rahul bhaiyas jacket. So much for personal dignity, self -esteem and upholding the dignity of the highest office of Maharasthra and the elected representatives of the people of Maharasthra.

It is also official now that the police guards around German Bakery in turn the Jewish Temple and also the OSHO ashram was removed and moved to provide security to MNIK theaters.

Yes the GO Maharasthra saved SRK's freedom of speech and his business investment and now how will they repay or bring the dead people?.


Chavan, Patil unaware of Centre's terror alert
Yogesh Naik , TNN, 15 February 2010, 04:27am IST

MUMBAI: Were Maharashtra CM Ashok Chavan and home minister R R Patil aware of the advisories sent by the Centre? Their initial replies show they
were unaware of any alert. Soon after the blasts in Pune, Union home secretary G K Pillai said that LeT operative David Headley caught by the US authorities had surveyed the Chabad House and Osho Ashram in Pune.

He said the state was advised about this on October 12, 2009.

Chavan said that Headley had done a recce of Chabad House and Osho Ashram. During the press conference in Mantralaya on Saturday night, Chavan was asked by the media why the state government did not provide enough security at the German Bakery and Koregaon Park area despite an alert to the Chabad House and Osho Ashram. He said he wasnt aware of this and would check up.

At about 11 pm on Saturday, TOI called up Patil and asked him if there was any alert or intelligence input from the Centre as declared by Pillai. Patil said there was no alert.

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Vandemataram : I regularly read your posts, including those on this thread. I share your concern about the communal politics that is played in India. That said, I fundamentally disagree with you about SRK's statement on Pakistani Players, and the subsequent high level protection accorded to "My name is Khan".

I believe that Shahrukh Khan has the right of free speech enshrined in the constitution of India. For that matter, any Indian- irrespective of caste, community or religion has the right to speak or write without fear. I personally believe that the appeasement of the so called "minority" has gone too long in India. However that does not give groups like Shiv sena, the right to intimidate people for their narrow political ends.

You insinuate that the police force had been moved from German bakery to provide protection to "My name is Khan". Assuming you are right - do you sincerely believe that could have prevented the bombing? Let us be fair and balance when we deal with issues like this.

As much as appeasement of the minorities has to stop, people like Bal Thackeray and his ilk who spread fear and hatred, must be condemned too. To be practical - our founding fathers should have declared India, a "hindu state" in 1947. That would have kept the minorities in their place. Alternately every Muslim should have been asked to migrate to Pakistan (because Pakistan was formed to be the homeland for Muslims).

Neither of this was done - instead minorities are treated like royalty, as the prepare to spread terror in the country. Hindus continue to be treated like third class citizens, because they are the most tolerant . So much for equality in India!

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Oh! Jesus(Is it Politically correct for a hindu to say this ?).

What can I say when the same logic is being used by everybody to twist the truth.

This is the comment by the Managing Director of Mid-Day publications from Mumbai.

And you can also see the newsreport from the Pune section of the same newspaper below.

And after all this PC(P.Chidambaram aka police constable by J.Jayalalitha) has said that there is a Foreign Hand involved in this blast. I don't understand why does he not come out and say the P word.

This is ridiculous with Jewish Center and also OSHO ashram next to it how can the police be so careless on the security.

Now SRK is silent and when the whole truth will unravel he will not be able to save face and will flee from Mumbai.

We have had great actors like Dilip Kumar who was suave and never put his foot in his mouth. He has good relationship with all manoos. The young and cocky Khans(SRK, SM and AM) have learnt the art of saying something stupid.

India shining?

By: Tariq Ansari Date: 2010-02-13 Place: Mumbai

MNIK protest: Over 1000 Shiv Sainiks detained

Article 19 of the Constitution of India: 'All citizens shall have the right to freedom of speech and expression'
Shah Rukh Khan expresses an opinion on the exclusion of Pakistani cricketers from IPL. His own opinion. None of us are obliged to either agree or disagree (As it happens, I don't agree). But we are obliged, as Indian citizens, to uphold his right to express that opinion.

Terrorism: the calculated use of violence (or the threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear.
Bal Thackeray directs Shiv Sainiks to block the release of Shah Rukh Khan's film 'My Name is Khan' at all costs, Sainiks vandalise cinema halls, damaging property, tearing up posters and screens and threatening exhibitors. This is emulated by various right wing groups across the country.

Why India is great: What separates us from dysfunctional democracies (read: Pakistan) is the rule of law, which ensures the rights and safety of all citizens and their property.
Exhibitors, sufficiently terrorised by the Sena and with no faith in the ability of the police to protect their cinemas, finally agree to a token showing of MNIK in a few cinemas, effectively blocking the release of the film in our city.

So there you have it. Whether as a political stunt in order to recover from a battering in electoral politics or from deep antipathy to any point of view opposed to their own, Shiv Sainiks effectively used intimidation and violence to hold our fair city to ransom yesterday. What is more, they prevented me from taking my daughter to see, from all accounts, a delightful film, filled with lessons on tolerance and compassion.
India Shining? I think not.

-- Tariq Ansari is the Managing Director of Mid Day Multimedia Ltd
These views express the opinion of this newspaper on the subject.

Cops were busy with MNIK, V-Day
By: Alifiya Khan and Vivek Sabnis Date: 2010-02-15 Place: Pune

When terror struck, 600 Pune policemen were keeping goons off MNIK, others were policing cosy couples. Has the state got its priorities all wrong?
The government was too busy moral policing couples, and giving cover to My Name Is Khan to bother about terror alerts. That's what BJP spokesperson Prakash Javadekar told MiD DAY on Saturday night at the site of the German Bakery blasts.

When MiD DAY took a closer look at his statement, here's what we found: Around 600 cops from 22 police stations were deployed on bandobast duty in the 22-odd theatres screening the Shah Rukh Khan-starrer in Pune. Prior to Valentine's Day, the Pune police were also busy moral policing couples. Between February 3 and 15, Pune police had issued guidelines to couples against indulging in public display of affection and gathering in groups.

The Other Side
When questioned over disproportionate security cover to My Name Is Khan screening and importance to Valentine's Day bandobast, Union Home Minister P Chidambaram skirted the question, saying discussing MNIK would trivialise the attacks.

\"We are here to discuss a serious event. On an appropriate moment, I would comment about other issues like MNIK. Now is not the time,\" he said.

Pune Police Commissioner Satyapal Singh refused to comment.

On Sunday, the Congress-led coalition government in Maharashtra completed 100 days. And on the eve of the event, blasts shook Pune. Political parties are now taking potshots at the government for its warped priorities.

Even the Shiv Sena, because of whom the police had to give security cover to theatres, didn't pull any punches. \"It is sad that for this government, smooth screening of MNIK is more important than protecting lives of Puneites. The police also should have been more rational about the deployment. They couldn't differentiate between the two,\" said Chandrakant Mokate, senior Sena MLA from Pune.

Chabad House, which was on the list of specific targets for a terror attack, had merely four constables guarding it today. MiD DAY had earlier captured on camera the security arrangements at Lal Deval, a Jewish synagogue, which showed two-three cops posted in a bunker while a patrolling car stopped by once in while.

In October 2009, at the height of the Headley trail, when it was revealed that the Jewish places were probable targets, police had revealed that 60 cops were posted on bandobast in shifts.

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Brilliant letter to SRK.

Dear SRK,

Are you out there ?. We have not heard from your goodself since Pune blast.

Please take care.


Open letter to Mr. Shahrukh Khan

By Bandyopadhyay Arindam
January 31, 2010

Your name is a household phenomenon in Indian and even beyond her
borders. Your fame has put you in the Newsweek \"most powerful people
list\" recently. However, as you may recall from your recent
experience in New Jersey Airport, real life is a little different --
it does not always follow the path predicted by a scriptwriter or

Of late, we have been reading about your opinions and statements on
matters beyond the celluloid world. Nothing is wrong in it. You live
in a free, democratic country and are entirely entitled to your
opinion. But as a common man, also from the same soil, I think I have
the right too to raise a few points that may not conform to your
views of the real world.

I hope you will read it out.

When recently, the Pakistani players were not selected for the IPL,
it was almost predictable that NDTV, the award-winning, mouthpiece of
our Indian liberal media select you for your views and you certified
that \"It (Pakistan) is a great neighbour to have. We (India and
Pakistan) are great neighbours. They are good neighbours.\"

I have a few words to say about those statements.

One may recall your effort to clarify the Pakistani team captain,
Shoaib Malik\"s apology to the Muslims, living all over the world, for
failing to win the final T20 match against India, likely much to the
embarrassment of a lot of Indian Muslims, as expressed by Shamin
Bano, mother of the man of the match, Irfan Pathan. What was more
embarrassing was your effort to try to defend Shoaib in a subsequent
interview, \"I don't think he meant to segregate Muslims and
Christians and Hindus and say this was a match between Islam and
Hinduism. I don't think that...\"

I doubt whether Shoaib talked to you personally about his thought
process at that time. You did not really have to respond for somebody
else but perhaps you could not resist the temptation to show your
brotherhood and solidarity.

This reminds us again of Dr Ambedkar's observation that, \"The
brotherhood of Islam is not the universal brotherhood of man. It is
brotherhood of Muslims for Muslims only.

Partition of India was what Pakistan wanted and got. It was painful
to millions but many more millions in present India have been spared.
Since then Pakistan has offered us only hatred. It has imposed on us
three major wars, the Kargil insurgency, the Kashmir conflict, the
series of serial blasts, the routine violation of border ceasefires,
attacks on the Parliament House and the recent Mumbai 26/11attack.

Did you have these in mind when you talked about them being good

In another interview you had tried to explain the concept of Islamic
Jihad. \"I think one needs to understand the meaning of jihad .. I've
understood the essence that jihad is not about killing other people;
jihad is about killing the badness in you.\"

May be you understand jihad better and deeper than the superficial
meaning of what we, the rest of the mortal mankind, overburdened and
terrorized by the inter-religious, intra-religious and sectarian
violence that is plaguing the world in the name of Islam today, do.
For we, the less educated, cannot really make a difference between
Jihad and Qatl, between Jihad by heart / soul, Jihad by pen and Jihad
by sword or between lesser and greater jihad.

We wonder, whatever its meaning may be, does it minimize the
significance of the mindless killings that we see today in the name
of Islam, across borders, all over the world? Does it change the
nature of the killers whether you call them holy warriors,
mujahidins, fedayeens or plane suicide bombers?

We agree with you that terrorism has no religion. But hopefully you
will also agree with the people who perceive that most terrorist in
the world today happen to believe in the scriptures of Islam. They
actually believe that they themselves are the true Islamists.

The so called \"moderate\" Islamist, perhaps does not want to
contradict them or may be does not dare to speak out against them.
You have probably not forgotten the FIR against you for listing
Prophet Mohammed as one of the most unimpressive personalities in
history, the threats from which you had to skillfully wriggle out.
Others who are not so fortunate, famous or flexible are suffering
lifetime, as Tasleema Nasreen or Salman Rushdie would testify. For
blasphemy in Islam is punishable with death, even for a believer.

Do I have to spell out the fate if it is a non-believer?

It is due to the inherent intolerance and exclusivity of Islam itself
despite your effort to convince us that there is an Islam from Allah
and very unfortunately, there is an Islam from the Mullahs

Here is an historical insight from writer Irfan Hussain, \"The Muslim
heroes who figure larger than life in our history books committed
some dreadful crimes..all have blood-stained hands that the passage
of years has not cleansed. Indeed, the presence of Muslim historians
on their various campaigns has ensured that the memory of their deeds
will live long after they were buried...Seen through Hindu eyes, the
Muslim invasion of their homeland was an unmitigated disaster.\"

So why should the \"non-believers\" care to accept them? Why should the
majority of Indians like to welcome back such disasters again?

Since partition, India has come a long way in progress and
development to her current status and is projected as an economic
superpower in coming decades while Pakistan is perceived as a failed
state on the verge of disintegration.

What does India have to gain by offering neighbourly friendship to
such a hostile and failed state?

India has never been an invader and is not in conflict of any other
Muslim country. None of the wars and conflicts with Pakistan was
instigated by India. In the current geopolitical situation, one can
argue for the Muslim world's grudge and anger against Israel or the
west and USA but one fail to fathom why India should also be at the
receiving end and why Indians should be the second largest group of
people to die from terrorists attacks. Indian majorities do not have
anything to do with the Danish cartoon or the death of Saddam
Hussain; so why should they suffer from Islamic havoc on those

In almost all occasions of terrorism, questions are raised about
possible role of Pakistan, its terror bases and its terrorist
organizations, as either directly or indirectly involved. Be it state
sponsored (as recently admitted by President Zardari) or by non-state
actors, Pakistan or Pakistani born are prime suspect in terrorist
activities all over the world. ISI has been accused of playing a role
in major terrorist attacks including 9/11 in the USA, terrorism in
Kashmir, Mumbai Train Bombings, London Bombings, Indian Parliament
Attack, Varanasi bombings, Hyderabad bombings, Mumbai terror attacks
or the attack on the Indian embassy in Kabul.

Do you believe these are marks of a good neighbour? Then what is the
reason for your preaching of love towards Pakistan?

Perhaps, as you said, because it is your ancestor's homeland, you
have a soft feeling for Pakistan and cannot see the difference. On
the eve of accepting an honorary doctorate from a British university,
we heard you say, \"I really believe we are the same ..when you come
away from India or Pakistan you realize there is no Indian or
Pakistani -- we're all together. We are -- culturally, as human
beings, as friends\"

Which Pakistanis are you referring to?

The Pakistanis belonging to the land, admonished as the epicenter of
global terrorism, not just by India or USA but even by its friendly
allies like Iran or China.

Or is it the self-created, Talibanic Pakistan, who still imposes
Jijya on the non believers or finds pleasure in blowing up girl's

Are you talking about its President class like the current Mr.
Zardari, vowed to wage a 1,000-year war with India or the late Mrs.
Bhutto who started Jihad in Kashmiri that lead to the exodus of Hindu
minorities from the Muslim majority state of India, as refugees in
their own country?

Are you referring to Pakistanis loyal to the ISI and the military who
train their soldiers with only one objective, i.e. to fight Hindu

If your mind is concerned about the faceless mass of Pakistanis, does
it also include the dwindling minorities?

Or are you just concerned about the celebrities and the social

It is true SRK that we belong to the same human species but it is
hard to stretch the similarities much further between \"us\" and

We from the same original land of Bharat but we want to keep her
intact, they want to break it into thousand pieces.

Our ancestors happen to be the same. We acknowledge and adore the
heritage but they abhor and decimate whoever is available in an
attempt to wipe out the link.

We are culturally the same. We have created the culture over
centuries what they dream to destroy in moments.

Ours is a 10,000 year old civilization, theirs is a 62 years old
country undoing whole human civilization.

We extend our hands repeatedly to promote friendship and amity; they
give us ISI, Lashkar, Harkat, Kashmir, Kargil and 26/11 in exchange.

Do you think that the Indians nationals who died in all the above
wars, the Indian soldiers who lost their lives in cross-border
ceasefire violations or the Indian civilians who are killed by the
ISI trained Islamic terrorists and their affiliates, in all those
serial blasts, all over the country, willfully sacrificed their lives
as a friendly neighbourhood gesture?

Can you face the families of the victims of Chhatrapati Shivaji
Terminus or the martyrs of the Kargil war and try to explain to them
that \"They are good neighbours. Let us love each other.\"

Can you explain why the two gunmen at Cama hospital, during the
Mumbai carnage, asked the man who gave them water, what his religion
was, and shot him dead when he said he was a Hindu?

If you cannot, then perhaps you understand why the majority of India
does not consider Pakistan as a good neighbour to have.

Perhaps you believe that the peaceful religious co-existence that you
created in your home (and we appreciate that) can be extended to the
large world outside. As you rightly said, we Indians trust and do
accept everybody but what you did fail to mention was that it is the
Indic tradition, essentially coming out of its pre-Islamic Hindu

If you think otherwise, show us a single Islamic country where the
non-believers enjoy the same equality as the believers. Since
partition, the Hindus left over in Pakistan and Bangladesh has
suffered terribly. Strictly Islamic countries, like Saudi Arabia, do
not allow any other religions to exist. Hindus working in the Gulf
countries are not allowed to practice their religion in public. Saudi
Arabia insists that India sends only a Muslim ambassador. Hindu
Muslim unity by and large has generally been a matter of Hindus
trying to please or accommodate Muslims. One cannot forget when
Vajpayee was extending his hand for peace Musharraf was planning the
Kargil insurgency.

Let us remind you, your own statement \"I am a Muslim in a country
called India. We've never been made to feel this is a Hindu country.\"

Can you find me a Hindu in Pakistan who can reciprocate that

Some years ago, another Mr. Khan, first name Feroze, from your
fraternity was banned from entering Pakistan for saying, \"India is
secular unlike Pakistan\".

That is the basic difference of the land of \"Hindu\" India from the
Islamic \"pure land\" of Pakistan.

So please do not ask us to love Pakistan.

Please do not lump the people of India and Pakistan together. We
Indians are proud to preserve our separate identity.

And please do not insult the land that gave you your life, name and
fame, by claiming that her worst enemy, who wants to break her into
1000 pieces, is a great neighbour.

Otherwise it would be sad if somebody accuses you of putting your
religion ahead of your country.

Please give it a thought.


Arindam Bandyopadhyay.

Sunny Leone a true Canadian DESI now back in India !.

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Is this what SRK is talking about, the Maharasthra government under the pressure from 10, Janpath wants to defend and YOU, ME and Millions others paid $10 to $12 for 3 hours after standing in a line to make somebody rich so that we can protect their freedom of speech.



The author is professor of finance and control, IIM-B. Views expressed are personal. E-mail:

Let there be no asha for the Pak demon

R VaidyanathanFirst Published : 16 Feb 2010 11:27:00 PM ISTLast Updated : 16 Feb 2010 04:30:08 AM IST

It is important to recognise the fact that Pakistan is one of the few places where the army runs the country. The army also owns its economy. This is important since studies have found that a large number of corporates in Pakistan are ultimately owned by the Fauji Foundation (FF), Army Welfare Trust (AWT) Bahria Foundation (BF), Shaheen Foundation (SF), all owned by different wings of the armed forces. At least 70 per cent of the market capitalisation of the Karachi stock exchange is owned by the army and related groups.

Also, a significant portion of its GDP is due to army-controlled entities and one can easily say that Pakistan economy and its army/ISI are synonymous. This implies we should stop talking of a stable Pakistan since a stable Pakistan means multiple attacks on many more cities of India by that rogue organisation ISI which is the core of the Pakistan Army.

Recently some noises were made by a newspaper group as well as Bleeding Heart Liberals (BHLs) about resuming dialogue with Pakistan. There are three groups in India which are obsessed with friendship with Pakistan. One consists of the oldies born in that part before Partition and who are nostalgic about Lahore havelis, halwas and mujiras. The second category has Bollywood and other assorted groups who look at it as a big market. The third is the candlelight holding bleeding heart liberals who cannot imagine India doing well without its younger brother being taken care of. All the three have been proved wrong but all of them are in the important opinion makers role. Shun them, avoid them and ridicule them.

These Wagh Candle Kissers either do not understand the economic power structure of Pakistan or naively hope that it will not be an issue. Their constitution 1973 version visualises to quote from its preamble Whereas sovereignty over the entire Universe belongs to Almighty Allah alone, and the authority to be exercised by the people of Pakistan within the limits prescribed by Him is a sacred trust; wherein the principles of democracy, freedom, equality, tolerance and social justice, as enunciated by Islam, shall be fully observed. It is the army which is the chosen instrument to implement the will of the god. This was recently clearly enunciated by its COAS General Kiyani. Protecting Islam and Pakistan is one of the sovereign duties of the armed forces. Recently the UN (appointed by President Zardari) team probing the death of Benazir Bhutto could interview all civil leaders including the PM and president but not the army brass. When the army objected to the Kerry Lugar Bill the president had to bring in Kerry himself to talk to COAS.

The candle kissers are doing great disservice to India and to Pakistan since that state has visualised itself as the protector and promoter of the Gods vision. One dimension of that vision is to train the suicide bombers to terminate the unbelievers inside and outside Pakistan. The so-called peaceniks naively believe that that army will go away or the foundations of the state of Pakistan will fade away.

When recently the FICCI produced a well-documented study titled National Security and Terrorism to deal with terrorism originating from that country, the Karachi Chambers of Commerce protested. And now the candle kissers want to have a business meet at Karachi. We do not know what results such a meet will produce.

Almost all terror attacks in any part of the world in the last decade have a link with Pakistan. Terrorism is funded by Saudi Arabia, planned in London and executed by Pakistani foot soldiers globally. Its strategic ally, namely the USA, wants to body screen every Pakistani entering the US and also wants to open their entire luggage particularly if it has been packed by them. Its other mentor namely Saudi Arabia has a system of issuing visas to Pakistanis after severe verification. China is worried about Pakistani role in the Xinxiang uprising and quietly hangs the rebels, many of them from the PoK. Currently Pakistan is in abyss and it would be beneficial if it is split into many countries not only for peace in India but also all over the world. The candle kissers are completely wrong in their agenda and timing. One only hopes that the Indian state is not taken in by their sentimental nonsense.

Will the Indian elite go for the jugular or just light more candles and scream at formless /nameless political class before TV cameras? It is going to be a long haul and may be in a decade or so we can find a solution for our existential crisis of being attacked by barbarians from the west. We need to combine strategy and patience and completely throw to the dustbin the Gujral doctrine treating younger brother with equanimity. The doctrine essentially suggests that if we are slapped on both the cheeks we should feel bad that we do not have a third cheek to show. Such is our strategic thinking in this complex world since our political class is not adequately briefed, nor do the elite think through issues.

If we want the world to treat Pakistan for what it is then we should start practising it. Always call it as Terrorist State of Pakistan and never have any illusion that it is going to be different. Completely and comprehensively cut off all our relations with them economic/cultural/sports and all other aspects. South Africa was treated for its Apartheid; so should Pakistan be punished for practising terrorism as a state policy. Unless we start completely boycotting Pakistan we cannot ask others to do it. Will corporate India start practising it? Then we can see some results in a few years. Otherwise when the next Mumbai attack happens the senile peaceniks may order more candles and try to generate more asha for the demon.

(The author is professor of finance and control, IIM-B. Views expressed are personal. E-mail:

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