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Bt Brinjal controversy




This whole issue seems to have quietened down now that the govt has decided to not introduce Bt Brinjal. However, what exactly is the issue ? Are their health concerns, environmental concerns or other issues ? What about Canada ? Are we eating all GM veggies here ? Just wanted some opinion on this.

 
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Post ID: 158166 09-02-10 17:58:59
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This has been a good move by the GOI.

The new brinjal plant seeds have been GM:genetically modified and they will definitely destroy the older brinjal plants already existing in India. They will not let the cross pollination and also over a period of time we will find that whenever our farmers need to plant brinjal they need to be dependant on MNC's like Monsanto for brinjal seeds. Already the Karnataka farmers had a famous battle for cotton against the US MNC Cargill.

The Indian vegetables have their own flavour and when they are tinkered with they tend to loose their natural flavor. This is like eating an Udupi dosa versus the McDosa(like in the movie Quick Gun Murugan).

As the joke goes when the Padre went to Africa he had the Bible. He met the African(who had the land) and suggested they pray with eyes closed. When they finished praying the land was with the Padre, while the African had the Bible.

This is the way East India Company conquered India.

Lucky there was a Mahatama/Sardar Patel/Netaji then to lead us.

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On a side note I'm posting a junk mail received from India(this is unedited/Scouts Honor) and hope you can get the message from this while I cannot figure out for God's sakes why Canadian $ for comparison nor the exchange rate vis-a-vis INR:

U CAN MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE TO THE INDIAN ECONOMY BY FOLLOWING FEW SIMPLE STEPS.

Please spare a couple of minutes here... for the sake of India ... our country.


I got this article from one of my friend, but it's true, I can see this from day to day life,

Small example,
Before 5 months 1 CAN $ = IND Rs 32
After 5 months. Now it is 1 CAN $ = IND Rs 37

Do you think Canadian Economy is booming? No, but Indian Economy is Going Down.

Our Economy is in u'r hands


INDIAN economy is in a crisis. Our country like many other ASIAN countries is undergoing a severe economic crunch. Many INDIAN industries are closing down. The INDIAN economy is in a crisis and if we do not take proper steps to control those, we will be in a critical situation.


More than 30000 crore rupees of foreign exchange are being siphoned out of our country on products such as cosmetics, snacks, tea, beverages... etc which are grown, produced and consumed here.


A cold drink that costs only 70 / 80 paisa to produce is sold for NINE rupees, and a major chunk of profits from these are sent abroad. This is a serious drain on INDIAN economy.


We have nothing against Multinational companies, but to protect our own interests we request everybody to use INDIAN products only for next two years. With the rise in petrol prices, if we do not do this, the rupee will devalue further and we will end up paying much more for the same products in the near future.


What you can do about it?

1. Buy only products manufactured by WHOLLY INDIAN COMPANIES.
2. ENROLL as many people as possible for this cause.


Each individual should become a leader for this awareness.

This is the only way to save our country from severe economic crisis. You don't need to give-up your lifestyle. You just need to choose an alternate product.

All categories of products are available from WHOLLY INDIAN COMPANIES.

LIST OF PRODUCTS

COLD DRINKS & water:


USE: - LEMON JUICE, FRESH FRUIT JUICES, CHILLED LASSI (SWEET OR SOUR), BUTTER MILK, COCONUT WATER, JALJEERA, ENERJEE, and MASALA MILK...

INSTEAD OF: -

COCA COLA, PEPSI, LIMCA, MIRINDA, SPRITE

BATHING SOAP:

USE - CINTHOL & OTHER GODREJ BRANDS, SANTOOR, WIPRO SHIKAKAI, MYSORE SANDAL, MARGO, NEEM, EVITA, MEDIMIX, GANGA, NIRMA BATH & CHANDRIKA

INSTEAD OF - LUX, LIFEBOY, REXONA, LIRIL, DOVE, PEARS, HAMAM, LESANCY, CAMAY, PALMOLIVE


TOOTH PASTE: -

USE - NEEM, BABOOL, PROMISE, VICO VAJRADANTI, PRUDENT, DABUR PRODUCTS, MISWAK

INSTEAD OF - COLGATE, CLOSE UP, PEPSODENT, CIBACA, FORHANS, MENTADENT.


TOOTH BRUSH: -

USE PRUDENT, AJANTA, PROMISE

INSTEAD OF - COLGATE, CLOSE UP, PEPSODENT, FORHANS, ORAL-B

SHAVING CREAM:

USE - GODREJ, EMANI

INSTEAD OF - PALMOLIVE, OLD SPICE, GILLETE


BLADE:-

USE - SUPERMAX, TOPAZ, LAZER, ASHOKA

INSTEAD OF - SEVEN-O -CLOCK, 365, GILLETTE


TALCUM POWDER:

USE - SANTOOR, GOKUL, CINTHOL, WIPRO BABY POWDER, BOROPLUS

INSTEAD OF - PONDS, OLD SPICE, JOHNSON BABY POWDER, SHOWER TO SHOWER


MILK POWDER:

USE - INDIANA, AMUL, AMULYA

INSTEAD OF - ANIKSPRAY, MILKANA, EVERYDAY MILK, MILKMAID.


SHAMPOO:

USE - LAKME, NIRMA, VELVET

INSTEAD OF - HALO, ALL CLEAR, NYLE, SUNSILK, HEAD AND SHOULDERS, PANTENE

MOBILE CONNECTIONS :

USE - BSNL, AIRTEL

INSTEAD OF -VODAFONE,






Every INDIAN product you buy makes a big difference. It saves INDIA.. Let us take a firm decision today.


BUY INDIAN TO BE INDIAN we are not against of foreign products.

WE ARE NOT ANTI-MULTINATIONAL.

WE ARE TRYING TO SAVE OUR NATION. EVERY DAY IS A STRUGGLE FOR A REAL FREEDOM.

WE ACHIEVED OUR INDEPENDENCE AFTER LOSING MANY LIVES.

THEY DIED PAINFULLY TO ENSURE THAT WE LIVE PEACEFULLY. THE CURRENT TREND IS VERY THREATENING.


MULTINATIONALS CALL IT GLOBALISATION OF INDIAN ECONOMY. FOR INDIANS LIKE YOU AND ME IT IS RECOLONISATION OF INDIA ...

THE COLONIST'S LEFT INDIA THEN. BUT THIS TIME THEY WILL MAKE SURE THEY DON'T MAKE ANY MISTAKES.


WHO WOULD LIKE TO LET A\" GOOSE THAT LAYS GOLDEN EGGS\" SLIP AWAY.



PLEASE REMEMBER: POLITICAL FREEDOM IS USELESS WITHOUT ECONOMIC INDEPENDENCE.


RUSSIA, S.KOREA, MEXICO ............THE LIST IS VERY LONG!!
LET US LEARN FROM THEIR EXPERIENCE AND FROM OUR HISTORY.

LET US DO THE DUTY OF EVERY TRUE INDIAN.


FINALLY: IT'S OBVIOUS THAT U CAN'T GIVE UP ALL OF THE ITEMS MENTIONED ABOVE,


SO GIVE UP ATLEAST ONE ITEM TO FOR THE SAKE OF OUR COUNTRY.

We would be sending useless forwards to our friends daily.
Instead please forward this mail to all your friends to create awareness.

\"LITTLE DROPS MAKE A GREAT OCEAN.\"

JAI * HIND




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Sunny Leone a true Canadian DESI now back in India !.

 
Post ID: 158168 09-02-10 18:31:50
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http://expressbuzz.com/edition/story.aspx?Title=Uncommon+furore+over+common+brinjal&artid=tczA80qWQIk=&SectionID=b7ziAYMenjw=&MainSectionID=b7ziAYMenjw=&SEO=Bt+Brinjal,+moratorium,+farmers,+environmental+gro&SectionName=pWehHe7IsSU=


Uncommon furore over common brinjal


IANSFirst Published : 09 Feb 2010 08:24:13 PM ISTLast Updated : 09 Feb 2010 11:38:26 PM IST

NEW DELHI: India's decision Tuesday to place an indefinite moratorium on commercial cultivation of Bt Brinjal followed months of heated debate over the advantages and risks of growing the world's first genetically modified vegetable.


Bt Brinjal is a transgenic variety of the vegetable, created by inserting a gene (Cry 1Ac) from the soil bacterium Bacillus thuringenisis (Bt) to brinjal. The insertion gives the plant resistance against pests like the brinjal fruit and shoot borer. On eating the bacterium Bt, the insect's digestive processes are disrupted, ultimately resulting in death.

Supporters of the technology say it will reduce pesticide use and thus bring down input costs for farmers, while improving yields.

Opponents are principally worried on two counts -- one, what happens if there is accidental cross-pollination between Bt and ordinary brinjal? Will the modified gene get into the other variety? What will the consequences be?

Two, what are the long-term effects of Bt Brinjal on human health, given that long-term trials have not been held? The product is too new for that.

Environment Minister Jairam Ramesh, who had to take the decision on the commercial release after the government Genetic Engineering Approval Committee (GEAC) had passed it last October, held a series of consultations with scientists, farmers and civil groups before reaching Tuesday's decision.

He said the inadequacy of tests on long term health and environment impacts could not be ignored, and placed a moratorium pending further tests whose results would be available to all.

Ramesh said that in the past month, since he started public and private consultations on the issue, he had met around 8,000 people.

At the public meetings in Kolkata, Bhubaneswar, Hyderabad and Bangalore there was vociferous opposition. However small groups of farmers have said they are in favour of Bt Brinjal if it assures less dependence on pesticides.

The issue has also raised tempers in political circles. The agriculture and science and technology ministries had supported the commercial release of Bt Brinjal. Ramesh, on the other hand, wrote a sharp letter to Sharad Pawar after the agriculture minister said the government had no role left to play after the GEAC nod.

India is the world's largest brinjal producer. West Bengal produces more than any other state, and the Left Front government there was one of 12 that had declared it would not allow commercial release of Bt Brinjal.

There are as many as 2,500 natural varieties of brinjals cultivated in India. The National Gene Bank here has accessions for nearly 3,550. Many of these also have medicinal value. The opponents are also worried because Bt Brinjal will carry no label since there are no labelling laws in the country for vegetables.

Another question raised time and again is why the GEAC had kept its test reports under wraps. The chairman had said that seed developers Mahyco wanted the information kept confidential in the "research and development stages". This claim was severely critisised by global environmental group Greenpeace.

The moratorium declared by Ramesh is on the version of Bt Brinjal being developed by Mahyco. Tamil Nadu Agricultural University, Coimbatore, the University of Agriculture in Dharwad (Karnataka) and two laboratories of the Indian Council of Agricultural Research are also developing genetically modified versions of brinjal.

So far, the only genetically modified crop cultivated commercially in India is Bt Cotton. It has had mixed reviews, but there is such a large area under its cultivation that India is now the sixth largest country growing genetically modified crops.

There are only 14 countries that cultivate GM food crops, according to the Centre for Sustainable Agriculture, near Hyderabad.

After Bt Brinjal, there are many more genetically modified food crops awaiting GEAC approval -- 25 kinds of rice, 23 kinds of tomatoes, many types of groundnut, pigeon peas, potato, mustard, sugarcane, soy and okra.

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Post ID: 158175 09-02-10 21:10:04
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http://expressbuzz.com/edition/story.aspx?Title=Dear+Jairam+babu&artid=nnAclh0zX2g=&SectionID=XVSZ2Fy6Gzo=&MainSectionID=XVSZ2Fy6Gzo=&SectionName=m3GntEw72ik=&SEO=Bt%20brinjal,Monsanto


Dear Jairam babu


K P Prabhakaran NairFirst Published : 09 Feb 2010 11:45:00 PM ISTLast Updated : 09 Feb 2010 12:14:51 AM IST

Dear minister,


I write this letter on a crucial issue that will affect the health of millions of Indians, and our agriculture at large, in the firm hope that as an intelligent politician who can feel the pulse of the nation, you will take a decision between now and February 20, when you will have to communicate the same to the prime minister.

It is about the controversial Bt brinjal. Brinjal is the favourite vegetable of India, as common as cornflakes for breakfast for Americans or fish and chips for the British. It is omnipresent on the Indian plate. You can find its mention even in our Vedas. India is the land of its origin.

I write this as an agricultural scientist who has opposed the introduction of Bt brinjal in India since September 2006 against a campaign by vested interests and some leading scientists to promote this half-baked technology. I am involved in Public Interest Litigation in the Supreme Court since October 2006, pending final decision. The vested interests are planning to push it on unsuspecting millions.

Stakeholders such as farmers and society in general have expressed great concern on the safety of Bt brinjal, cleared by the Genetic Engineering Approval Committee (GEAC) for commercial cultivation in India on October 14 last year, under pressure from the ministry of agriculture. While there have been proponents and opponents, the consensus is that this is not a desirable thing.

This letter examines crucial aspects concerning the safety of Bt brinjal and its desirability in our country. Potato, tomato, brinjal, chilli, datura (Datura fastuosa, the pernicious weed), tobacco and deadly nightshade (belladonna) all belong to a plant family called Solanaceae. It contains a number of important agricultural plants, of which brinjal is one, as well as many psychoactive and toxic plants, like datura and tobacco. Solanaceae species are rich in complex chemicals called alkaloids and contain some of the most poisonous plants known to mankind. These alkaloids can be hallucinogens, stimulants or outright toxic. Belladonna, datura (a pernicious weed) and tobacco are all toxic.

It took thousands of years for farmers to domesticate wild plants such as those of the Solanaceae family to make them safe for domestic consumption. Much of this exercise involved breeding out the toxins. Scientists too have used careful, selective breeding to clean up crop varieties which had good qualities but contained toxins.

Bt brinjal is a genetically engineered plant. It produces a toxin to protect itself against a particular pest, the fruit borer. For this, a gene from the soil bacterium Bacillus thuringiensis has been transposed through recombinant gene technology to act as an intestinal poison when the borer sucks the juice of the fruit. The problem is clear. This is a process working to reverse several thousands years of efforts to detoxify the brinjal. So is there an inherent danger in this for human consumption?

Genetic engineering in plants has not yet been mastered to eliminate the possibility of ending up with dangerous new products when genes are muddled during the insertion of new, usually foreign genes from different species. Several cases are known of new proteins and toxins produced in genetically engineered plants. For example, when genetically modified peas were being developed by the Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation (CSIRO) in Australia to protect peas from the pea weevil, newly-formed proteins in the GM peas repeatedly caused immunity problems and lung inflammation when fed to mice. The experiments had to be abandoned. In another case, when mice were fed the genetically engineered Flavr Savr tomato, seven out of 40 animals died within a fortnight. The others suffered stomach lesions.

Genetic engineering in plants of the Solanaceae family could be potentially hazardous to human health. Inserting an alien (non-specific) gene, which can lead to new gene constructs containing a battery of genes may trigger metabolic processes that have been lying dormant.

Disturbing the cell metabolism (by genetic engineering) of species that are naturally genetically hardwired to produce toxins is likely to alert dormant plant toxins in these species, which could prove deadly to the consumer. Bt brinjal thus is ridden with this potential hazard, and there is, as yet, no foolproof mechanism to test its safety.

The independent expert committee constituted in 2006 to specifically examine the field data provided by Mahyco (the Indian arm of Monsanto, the agribusiness giant of the US), had some of the best brains in the country, under the chairmanship of the writer. It found several instances where safety protocols were blatantly breached. Even the economic data were not subjected to rigorous statistical scrutiny, thus raising questions about the very thesis that Bt brinjal cultivation is an economic proposition.

In addition to safety issues, there are other questions that arise with the impending release of Indias first genetically engineered food crop. There is no foolproof system for labelling these foods. How can one, in the Indian situation, label a vegetable that will be sold from farmers fields, laden into trucks and taken to wholesale mandis?

For most consumers, especially rural consumers, labelling would be meaningless unless they are made aware of the nature of GM foods. Despite these gaps, the GEAC has approved Bt brinjal for commercial production. This is a violation of the consumers right to informed choice. Consumers rights are enshrined in the Consumer Protection Act and GEAC approval violates the provisions of this Act.

Another crucial question is about fixing liability. If organic brinjal is contaminated with Bt brinjal, what will be the process of recall? Who will be liable to producers of organic brinjal? In case adverse health impacts are reported from consuming Bt brinjal, who would be liable to pay compensation? How would liability be fixed and what would be the quantum of liability? In the absence of any kind of preparedness or safeguards, what would be the liability of the government for approving such food crops? And in the event of damage caused by Bt brinjal, will Monsanto or Mahyco be put in the dock? India is simply unprepared for all these contingencies. Yet the GEAC has been pressured by vested interests and it has succumbed to this pressure.

I conclude by requesting you to avoid succumbing to pressure from Sharad Pawar, who is invoking the GEAC decision as a shield to promote Bt brinjal, while the chairman of GEAC is on record saying he was pressured to take a favourable decision. I have absolute faith in your intelligence.

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Post ID: 158180 09-02-10 22:32:44
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Quote:
Originally posted by Vandematram


Lucky there was a Mahatama/Sardar Patel/Netaji then to lead us.

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On a side note I'm posting a junk mail received from India(this is unedited/Scouts Honor) and hope you can get the message from this while I cannot figure out for God's sakes why Canadian $ for comparison nor the exchange rate vis-a-vis INR:

U CAN MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE TO THE INDIAN ECONOMY BY FOLLOWING FEW SIMPLE STEPS.

Please spare a couple of minutes here... for the sake of India ... our country.


I got this article from one of my friend, but it's true, I can see this from day to day life,

Small example,
Before 5 months 1 CAN $ = IND Rs 32
After 5 months. Now it is 1 CAN $ = IND Rs 37

Do you think Canadian Economy is booming? No, but Indian Economy is Going Down.

Our Economy is in u'r hands


INDIAN economy is in a crisis. Our country like many other ASIAN countries is undergoing a severe economic crunch. Many INDIAN industries are closing down. The INDIAN economy is in a crisis and if we do not take proper steps to control those, we will be in a critical situation.


More than 30000 crore rupees of foreign exchange are being siphoned out of our country on products such as cosmetics, snacks, tea, beverages... etc which are grown, produced and consumed here.


A cold drink that costs only 70 / 80 paisa to produce is sold for NINE rupees, and a major chunk of profits from these are sent abroad. This is a serious drain on INDIAN economy.


We have nothing against Multinational companies, but to protect our own interests we request everybody to use INDIAN products only for next two years. With the rise in petrol prices, if we do not do this, the rupee will devalue further and we will end up paying much more for the same products in the near future.


What you can do about it?

1. Buy only products manufactured by WHOLLY INDIAN COMPANIES.
2. ENROLL as many people as possible for this cause.


Each individual should become a leader for this awareness.

This is the only way to save our country from severe economic crisis. You don't need to give-up your lifestyle. You just need to choose an alternate product.

All categories of products are available from WHOLLY INDIAN COMPANIES.

LIST OF PRODUCTS

COLD DRINKS & water:


USE: - LEMON JUICE, FRESH FRUIT JUICES, CHILLED LASSI (SWEET OR SOUR), BUTTER MILK, COCONUT WATER, JALJEERA, ENERJEE, and MASALA MILK...

INSTEAD OF: -

COCA COLA, PEPSI, LIMCA, MIRINDA, SPRITE

BATHING SOAP:

USE - CINTHOL & OTHER GODREJ BRANDS, SANTOOR, WIPRO SHIKAKAI, MYSORE SANDAL, MARGO, NEEM, EVITA, MEDIMIX, GANGA, NIRMA BATH & CHANDRIKA

INSTEAD OF - LUX, LIFEBOY, REXONA, LIRIL, DOVE, PEARS, HAMAM, LESANCY, CAMAY, PALMOLIVE


TOOTH PASTE: -

USE - NEEM, BABOOL, PROMISE, VICO VAJRADANTI, PRUDENT, DABUR PRODUCTS, MISWAK

INSTEAD OF - COLGATE, CLOSE UP, PEPSODENT, CIBACA, FORHANS, MENTADENT.


TOOTH BRUSH: -

USE PRUDENT, AJANTA, PROMISE

INSTEAD OF - COLGATE, CLOSE UP, PEPSODENT, FORHANS, ORAL-B

SHAVING CREAM:

USE - GODREJ, EMANI

INSTEAD OF - PALMOLIVE, OLD SPICE, GILLETE


BLADE:-

USE - SUPERMAX, TOPAZ, LAZER, ASHOKA

INSTEAD OF - SEVEN-O -CLOCK, 365, GILLETTE


TALCUM POWDER:

USE - SANTOOR, GOKUL, CINTHOL, WIPRO BABY POWDER, BOROPLUS

INSTEAD OF - PONDS, OLD SPICE, JOHNSON BABY POWDER, SHOWER TO SHOWER


MILK POWDER:

USE - INDIANA, AMUL, AMULYA

INSTEAD OF - ANIKSPRAY, MILKANA, EVERYDAY MILK, MILKMAID.


SHAMPOO:

USE - LAKME, NIRMA, VELVET

INSTEAD OF - HALO, ALL CLEAR, NYLE, SUNSILK, HEAD AND SHOULDERS, PANTENE

MOBILE CONNECTIONS :

USE - BSNL, AIRTEL

INSTEAD OF -VODAFONE,






Every INDIAN product you buy makes a big difference. It saves INDIA.. Let us take a firm decision today.


BUY INDIAN TO BE INDIAN we are not against of foreign products.

WE ARE NOT ANTI-MULTINATIONAL.

WE ARE TRYING TO SAVE OUR NATION. EVERY DAY IS A STRUGGLE FOR A REAL FREEDOM.

WE ACHIEVED OUR INDEPENDENCE AFTER LOSING MANY LIVES.

THEY DIED PAINFULLY TO ENSURE THAT WE LIVE PEACEFULLY. THE CURRENT TREND IS VERY THREATENING.


MULTINATIONALS CALL IT GLOBALISATION OF INDIAN ECONOMY. FOR INDIANS LIKE YOU AND ME IT IS RECOLONISATION OF INDIA ...

THE COLONIST'S LEFT INDIA THEN. BUT THIS TIME THEY WILL MAKE SURE THEY DON'T MAKE ANY MISTAKES.


WHO WOULD LIKE TO LET A\" GOOSE THAT LAYS GOLDEN EGGS\" SLIP AWAY.



PLEASE REMEMBER: POLITICAL FREEDOM IS USELESS WITHOUT ECONOMIC INDEPENDENCE.


RUSSIA, S.KOREA, MEXICO ............THE LIST IS VERY LONG!!
LET US LEARN FROM THEIR EXPERIENCE AND FROM OUR HISTORY.

LET US DO THE DUTY OF EVERY TRUE INDIAN.


FINALLY: IT'S OBVIOUS THAT U CAN'T GIVE UP ALL OF THE ITEMS MENTIONED ABOVE,


SO GIVE UP ATLEAST ONE ITEM TO FOR THE SAKE OF OUR COUNTRY.

We would be sending useless forwards to our friends daily.
Instead please forward this mail to all your friends to create awareness.

\"LITTLE DROPS MAKE A GREAT OCEAN.\"

JAI * HIND






I'm not known to this Brinjal controversy but reply this for the globalization and economy junk mail above. Whoever is the originator of this junk mail doesn't understand the way Economy works. Colgate, Pepsi all multinationals have plants in India where these are manufactured, its just the brand which sells. My father in India is in the stamp marking machines business, means he deals in machines which mark the products, from juice boxes, to Pepsi cans to tooth brushes, to car keys, chassis numbers, watches, all have markings. From him I know a number of manufacturers who are official manufacturers for many MNCs; I have been to a tooth brush factory in Delhi where in they were manufacturing brushes for many brands Desi as well MN's. Its just the label and its made on the brand standards but all is produced by Indian hands, Indian plastic and everything Indian except the name! Similarly Ive also seen Irons, geysers, washing machines being made for different brands by one manufacturer. Some of these manufacturers also sell their own brands catered to locals, on my last trip when my brother bought a geyser from a manufacturer he was joking with my bro and said Kaunsa label lagao which brand label you want on the geyser? If you go to Gurgaon, you'll see factories of GAP, Benetton, the T-shirt my son was wearing that day was from Children's place (Made in India). The whole car business from manufacturing Maruti or a Honda or a Mahindra is beautiful, most of the car makers are just assemblers, means the wheels come from A, the steering comes from B, the seats from C and they are assembled together to make a product called Maruti.

I think Indians are way ahead and smart then to let any foreigner take over our country now.

Jona



 
Post ID: 158187 10-02-10 08:26:31
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This bogey of another takeover of India by multinational companies is absurd, baseless and fundamentally impractical. The steady growth in GDP, the improvement in the lives of (some) Indians is the result of globalization. The theory of "swadeshi" is honey to the ears, but is it really practical? Can we go back to Khadi, boycott anything we consider "foreign" including foreign currency?

That would not be a bad idea, after all, if you don't mind putting India back by a few decades. Then again, Indians are used everything "phoren" - that said how many would like this change? Something we should seriously consider!

There is a lot of politics, muscle power and money power in all movements, to reverse globalization in India. These powers that be behind movements such as "swadeshi jagran manch" have no problem using "phoren" products, while exhorting the country to become "swadeshi". So much for their principles!


 
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Quote:
Originally posted by jonav

Quote:
Originally posted by Vandematram




Small example,
Before 5 months 1 CAN $ = IND Rs 32
After 5 months. Now it is 1 CAN $ = IND Rs 37

Do you think Canadian Economy is booming? No, but Indian Economy is Going Down.



I think Indians are way ahead and smart then to let any foreigner take over our country now.

Jona





1. When was 1 CAD = INR 32 last?
2. None of the brands mention are CANADIAN.

I am sure everyone gets the drift of such viral emails...:D

Have fun..

Hiren


 
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Very interesting discussion on GM crops and their
effects by a Canadian Desi Scientist:

http://business.rediff.com/slide-show/2010/
mar/02/slide-show-1-how-bt-brinjal-can-kill-indian-agriculture.htm#contentTop

How Bt brinjal can kill Indian agriculture

Shobha Warrier in Chennai


Dr Shiv Chopra, the 75-year-old, Canada-based
microbiologist and well known human rights activist,
was in India recently in connection with the release
of his latest book, Corrupt To The Core - Memoirs Of
A Health Canada Whistleblower, which is about how
corruption in government endangers public food supply.

In the last 49 years that he has been living in Canada,
Chopra and other fellow scientists have waged many a
battle against successive Canadian federal ministries
of health and helped protect food supply. One of his
major successes was the banning of the Bovine Growth
Hormone in Canada and in the European Union in 1999.

According to him, the five substances that are unsafe
are hormones, antibiotics, slaughterhouse waste,
genetically modified organisms and pesticides.

In an interview with rediff.com, Chopra talks about the
frightening scenarios ahead for Indian agriculture, the
dangers of GM seeds and food safety.
You have spoken at various platforms all over the world
against genetically modified crops. Are they harmful
to human beings, animals and other plants?

There is evidence that they are harmful. GMOs
(genetically modified organisms), first of all, do
not bring any benefit to either health or the economy
in terms of increasing production.

Those who support use of GMO say they increase
production, but they don't say that it is only because
pesticides are attached to them. They kill insects
which normally share some of nature's bounty.

You create seeds that are genetically dependent on
some kind of pesticide and that pesticide will kill any kind of life.

For example, if you have a herbicide like Roundup,
and that Roundup is owned by Monsanto, it will kill
absolutely anything that is green in sight; grass, trees,
plants, anything that is green and in soil. Except the
crop that I want to grow, everything else will be killed.

What they do not want to tell is what has been
destroyed and left in the plant. When you kill plants,
on the plant there are insects, worms and nitrogen
fixing bacteria; all that gets destroyed. This is happening
year after year. If one herbicide stops working, they
come up with another one. So, it is bad for the soil,
other plants and those who consume it.

It was reported that these pesticide-herbicide injected
seeds affect the nearby farms where there are no GMOs...

Yes, wind will blow seeds from one farm to another.
Then, Monsanto will send their inspectors who threaten
the farmers for growing their seeds when the seeds
reached the farm having been blown by wind.

Then, Monsanto will say, either you pay me for using our
seeds or I will take you to court. There are several such
cases reported in the United States and Canada where
they have taken farmers to court and ruined their lives
Is it because these multinational companies like Monsanto
are so powerful that we do not hear many scientists or
politicians talking about the harmful effects of GMOs?

Absolutely! This is why I call my latest book Corrupt To
The Core. It is not just Monsanto owned by Pfizer; it is
only that it is the company that has the nastiest name,
but there are other companies doing the same thing.

If it is harmful to flora and fauna, is it not harmful to
human beings who consume these crops?

Of course, it is! But nobody asks that question. Do you
think the scientists do not know this? It is because the
whole thing has become so corrupt in the hands of these companies.

In my book, I quote from a speech given in Canada in
1990 by a Monsanto executive. He said, 'MNCs will
soon rule the world through intellectual property rights
(IPR). We can take over the White House, the Parliament
of England, France, Japan and Germany, and once we do
that, we will see that China and India would come along
and then we can take Africa for granted.'

I quoted this from a published paper in 1990. This is
precisely what has happened.

Governments are being taken over by multinationals and
governments are no longer listening to people and not
working in public interest.
Is India the new attraction because a majority of the
population is involved in farming?

First of all, America is not run by the American people
any more; it is being run by these multinational corporations.

America and the other G-8 countries are on the verge of
becoming bankrupt. America is a saturated economy, owes
so much money to the world and is still burning a billion
dollars a day on war and there is no hope of any recovery.
Naturally, their next target will be countries like India.

Why did they choose Bt brinjal to market first in India: a
simple vegetable that many people do not even like?

Exactly, that is the question. Many people don't eat brinjal,
children hate it. Still, why do you think brinjal was chosen
to be the first Bt food crop?

This is a very calculated move on their part.

Brinjal is an unimportant vegetable but it belongs to the
Solanaceae family, that also has popular vegetables like
tomatoes, potatoes and chillies. The Bt gene is capable
of spreading to other crops from the same family when it
is being blown in the wind. This way, they contaminate
the entire food and vegetable supply.

Agriculture Minister Sharad Pawar and the others have
already started talking about Bt sweetcorn and Bt
sugarcane. Although Environment Minister Jairam Ramesh
has rejected Bt brinjal for now, his colleagues are after his skin.

The prime minister has, for the first time, ordered to look
at whether Bt cotton was good or bad. Why do you do it
after all the fiasco? It should have been done earlier.
Why is it that the scientific community is not raising its
voice against GM seeds?

There is corruption everywhere. It is no different in the
US or Canada. Their jobs depend on this. Sadly, neither
the media nor the scientific journals are reporting the facts.

Your name is synonymous with food safety. Is there
food safety in any of the countries in the world?

Cuba will take the lead; their food is completely organic.
India is a mixed bag. China is very corrupt, whether it is
food or milk.

You said not only GMOs, but hormones, antibiotics, pesticides
and slaughter house wastes also have to be banned. . .

Yes. The latest is the GMOs. For the last fifty years none
of these products has been proven to be safe. It is the
responsibility of the company to prove that they are safe
because they are going to make money.

We now know that with the use of all these, not only cancer
but other chronic diseases like reproductive disorders,
neurological disorders, diabetes, and other new diseases
have reached epidemic proportions.

Because of this, the European Union, led by Denmark,
has banned three of these products (hormones, antibiotics and
slaughter house wastes) entering the food supply.

But the US and Canada say they are alright. Yet, no
country wants to buy Canadian beef. Australia and New
Zealand now export food materials free of these five
substances to the EU.
You said at a function in India that the release of Bt brinjal
will be the beginning of the end of Indian agriculture.
That's a scary statement. . .

But that is the truth. If you allow Bt brinjal to enter the
farms in India, everything will automatically becomes Bt.
Once Bt brinjal is widely grown, they do not have to introduce
Bt potato, Bt chilly and Bt tomato; the Bt gene will
automatically get into the food supply.

In no time, potato, tomato, chilli will contain the Bt gene
and there will be no ordinary tomato or potato crop that
can be grown by the farmer. Only the Bt species will
thrive. Even crops like rice and maize can get contaminated.

With only Bt seeds in the farms, all the seeds needed for
Indian agriculture will be owned by a private company
and your thousands of varieties of, say, brinjal will
automatically get wiped out. That is because you
will be forced to buy only one kind of seed.

That will be the beginning of the end of Indian agriculture.
Remember they are not in India to help India fight hunger;
they are here to make money.

How frightening is the situation for Nature and human beings?

Very frightening! The main reason America is going bankrupt
is the huge expense on healthcare. They spend 16 per cent of
their GDP on healthcare. If the new bill passes,
it will become 20 per cent. Americans do not live any
longer than other people in the world.

The fundamental question everyone asks is, what does
every living being live for? Every living being lives only
for food, the rest are all luxuries. We have started
depleting our agricultural sector. From 80 per cent
of the Indian economy, it has become 60 per cent.
Now their plan is to make it 50 per cent in ten years.

The government thinks it is a good idea as there
will be more progress in the cities. But who will
feed all these people?.








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Vandemataram, shiv chopra, or any one else who wants to hog the limelight in India, and get into the news, hear this!

You can call us names, bankrupt, or whatever - that does not matter. I, uncle sam am still a power to reckon with. So what if the storm about the BT Brinjal ( I prefer to call it "eggplant";) has died down? We know not what money can not buy in India, be it the ministers, or "scientific organizations".

We will lie low for a year and surreptitiously introduce BT brinjal under a different name. Everyone including JR & SC is " Bikao", be it for power, money or whatever. Whistle blowers wont have the whistle to blow.

Ham honge kaamyaab.

Pesticide lobby haar jaayegi, kyunki BT brinjal pesticide resistant hai. Samjhay kya?


 
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