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URGENT : JOB FOR NEWLY LANDED IMMIGRANT COUPLE.




rajivjuthani
Senior Desi
Member since: Jun 05




Posts: 146
Location: Mississauga


Well here we go again.. TK saheb,

For your info, I am a Desi, Not a christian and have regularly gone out for drinks after work ( personal level ), have been called for dinner, have hosted dinners, gone on outings with differnt " Gora" families etc.

So you may not have seen me , but I assure you if we ever meet, I am a pucca desi.

As you suggest let us make it practical to hlep you and others in this forum.

Like it was mentioned in earlier posts if you go from Chennai to Mumbai or Delhi for eg, you have to adjust to the culture, you may not like the food , you may not understand the language. Further in such a situation are we not happy when someone who speaks our language ? Tells you what you should or should not do ? However in absence of the language you are restricted to communication / interaction with a few people , but the moment you learn the local language, customs your horizons, NETWORK is widened.


Now we have transported outselves to Canada. How do we make ourselves have better networked. We SPEAK their language, understand the customs etc.
Then the people who have been here longer than us ( i do not want to use the term GORA , canadian born etc) can relate to us. They can have meaningful conversation with us. There is no harm in keeping one's identity but at the same time learn something new, after all we have decided to settle in this place.

For eg, what sort of conversation would one have at the coffee machine or while waiting for the elevator, a. Weather b. How are the kids/ wife c. What did we see on TV the night before ( You may say yes I watched "24" - very interesting )- now you are doing what he has done the night before- you have something in common .

Again right attitude is even if we are working as a temp or anything else, we can show great team work, exchange christmas gifts ( cards are fine), on a daily basis- just smile. People would remember you for that and when something comes up they will instantly help you. People are not foolish, they know we are first generation immigrants, usually well qualified and would be temping for a better opportunity and immediately when they see somethig fitting the bill, they will definately refer you.

Networking in my opinion is not just speaking to people who may or may not have a job. It is to think about who you DON'T know. And then find a way to get to know those people. A classic example I can think of is the story of how people golf and get their business done. The common factor is their love for golf.

So right attitude is an open mind, say as an accountant go to various seminars, as an engineer go to various workshops and I am sure you will find a way out.

Networking etc cannot be about mathematics to have 2+2=4. It is like all human relationships, you have to give it time and nurture it and you shall definately get results.

My 2 cents , I do not wish to be rude, but wanted to elucidate based on the previous comment.

Regards,

RJ


 
Post ID: 142694 29-04-09 23:43:50
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Ash06
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Member since: Apr 09




Posts: 84
Location: Canada


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I have said this in the past, and continue to say it....... there are several people who carry nothing except negativity on this forum......be it jobs, the culture, the society here..... the list could be endless. There are conspiracy theories about how the government here has conspired with industry to bring \"educated, skilled, but cheap labor\" through immigration. Then there are those who will see nothing but racism in everything, including the workplace...


Coming to that, We Indians are nothing short of racists........ we label ourselves, \"Dilliwala's. Madrasis, Goltis\", so on and so forth. We can't stand our own fellow Indians because they are from a different region, state or speak a language that is alien to us. We have barriers of caste, religion, community, gender and color (No wonder \"fair and lovely\" is a hit in India). We tolerate all that but, the moment we feel slighted here, we call everyone racist, discriminatory, and unfair.

Now what has this to do with the Original poster? Let me say this to this person, and everyone who writes or read the posts here... there are many challenges here, be it the workplace or society as a whole. There will also be people who will curse, swear and run down the society here. There are people who will say that you won't find work unless you \"network\", or \"know a gora\"... People say this because they give up easily, and cynicism is their middle name.


Let none of this get to you. This is a land of opportunities, and if you are focused, diligent, persuasive, patient and you can reach your goal. Finding work isn't that difficult if you have these are part of your character.

Hope this helps!
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Excellent ILOVENA. I can't agree with you more. Especially the second paragraph.

Cheers.


 
Post ID: 142695 30-04-09 00:59:21
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gktaurus
Senior Desi
Member since: Oct 08




Posts: 170
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I read a lot about descrimination etc on this forum and thought I should share my practical experience here. Hope this helps people to look things in a different perspective.

Last year, I was offered a senior manager position in engineering field for a very well known comapy. The VP, Director, HR who interviewed me were not indians(GORAs if you want to be more specific though I don't like to use this word). I competed among all kinds of people i can imagine in this world.

I worked there for a short period. The reason the oil price went very, the projects I was working on were all cancelled mid way. I was let go, but I was paid the highest compensation(I confirmed this as the company downsized to 40% of work force). The company even tried to place me in different divisions in US etc but there was problems everywhere.

Last month, I had an interview with another well known company. Same story, The VP, director, HR etc who interviewed me were not indians. Again, I competed with all kinds of people. I received the job offer yesterday for a senior manager position with a salary and benefit more than what i was expecting. I will be joining for work next week. In the interview, they also told me this position will progress into the director position in a couple of years.

I don't say there is no discrimination here at all but I also faced discrimination in India as well. In fact, I find it was more over there for me than here. For me, I find it more comfortable to work with other races. This is just my personal openion.

As some of you mentioned, it is attitude coupled with your intelligence and skill set, and more important your committment to work carries you through. I strongly believe in this.

If this is of any importance to anyone, I regularly go for lunch, dinner etc with my colleagues, they invite me also. Again, I don't have to say they are not all of them indians.







 
Post ID: 142744 01-05-09 09:28:18
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tamilkuravan
Senior Desi
Member since: Jun 05




Posts: 5750
Location: God's own country

To each his own
Good discussion.
however my experience and what my friends have been telling me is totally different.
In my ex-office, I have regularly seen the owner giving overtime to Canadian born and educated people where as VM's (Visible minorities) have been denied the same. Also my owner always likes to hire CBEP (canadian born and educated people) for the same low salary but he ends up having to hire VM's.
What most of my friends have told me in the past 6 1/2 years :

a. In an IT company, a desi and a Spanish person were on the final round to be a PM. Invariably the spanish person was hired to be the PM

b. A Desi psychatrist in Waterloo (been here for 30 years) told me desi friend that most of the CBEP that came to him had very great hatred towards VM's and most of them were psycho's. All the patients talked about belong to the upper rung of management in famous IT companies.

c. Most of my desi friends always tell me that companies hire VM's only when CEBP's were not available to fill the positions.

The list could go on. But then I donot want to waste my time listing factors / incidents / issues which can negetively affect a CD.

Peace by TK

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Post ID: 142752 01-05-09 10:47:32
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bee_g
Senior Desi
Member since: Oct 06




Posts: 108
Location: Mississauga


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Originally posted by tamilkuravan

Good discussion.
however my experience and what my friends have been telling me is totally different.
In my ex-office, I have regularly seen the owner giving overtime to Canadian born and educated people where as VM's (Visible minorities) have been denied the same. Also my owner always likes to hire CBEP (canadian born and educated people) for the same low salary but he ends up having to hire VM's.
What most of my friends have told me in the past 6 1/2 years :

a. In an IT company, a desi and a Spanish person were on the final round to be a PM. Invariably the spanish person was hired to be the PM

- Maybe the spanish person was betterthan the desi?
Quote:
Originally posted by tamilkuravan
b. A Desi psychatrist in Waterloo (been here for 30 years) told me desi friend that most of the CBEP that came to him had very great hatred towards VM's and most of them were psycho's. All the patients talked about belong to the upper rung of management in famous IT companies.

This is actually funny..your psychiatrist friend said all his patients are phychos!!!!
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Originally posted by tamilkuravan
c. Most of my desi friends always tell me that companies hire VM's only when CEBP's were not available to fill the positions.


Look beyond your friend circle.


 
Post ID: 142771 01-05-09 15:07:52
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febpreet
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Member since: Jan 07




Posts: 3252
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I still feel it entirely depands upon each person's academics, presentation skills, communication, and the prevailing job market in their respective field. Some immigrants succeed in a shorter span but others struggle to make ends meet. Although attitude and the above factors play a major role in finding immigrants jobs, it's not everything. I agree with TK that majority of Canadian companies are still not comfortable in employing an immigrant vis-a-vis a born Canadian.

As far as I have seen in my 4 years in Canada, majority of immigrants don't break in due to the narrow mindset of employers. Agree, there are some who find good jobs within one month of landing(very few - hardly noticeable), but I agree with TK that for majority of immigrants it's still a narrow road of hardships when it comes to finding job in their own respective fields.

This is an irony of Canadian immigration. There's no co-ordination between Government's immigration policies and what the industry wants in terms of quality of their workforce. As a result of it, we have Docs, Engg., and other highly educated immigrants (Yes, it includes the ones in IT as well) that struggle to find jobs even after 1 year of landing.

Please accept the universal truth where it belongs. Denial illudes.


 
Post ID: 142772 01-05-09 15:15:19
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JRF
Senior Desi
Member since: Jul 04




Posts: 1852
Location: GTA, Ontario


Very good to read your posts. As always, I feel much safer living and working in Canada than India.


Quote:
Originally posted by gktaurus

I read a lot about descrimination etc on this forum and thought I should share my practical experience here. Hope this helps people to look things in a different perspective.

Last year, I was offered a senior manager position in engineering field for a very well known comapy. The VP, Director, HR who interviewed me were not indians(GORAs if you want to be more specific though I don't like to use this word). I competed among all kinds of people i can imagine in this world.

I worked there for a short period. The reason the oil price went very, the projects I was working on were all cancelled mid way. I was let go, but I was paid the highest compensation(I confirmed this as the company downsized to 40% of work force). The company even tried to place me in different divisions in US etc but there was problems everywhere.

Last month, I had an interview with another well known company. Same story, The VP, director, HR etc who interviewed me were not indians. Again, I competed with all kinds of people. I received the job offer yesterday for a senior manager position with a salary and benefit more than what i was expecting. I will be joining for work next week. In the interview, they also told me this position will progress into the director position in a couple of years.

I don't say there is no discrimination here at all but I also faced discrimination in India as well. In fact, I find it was more over there for me than here. For me, I find it more comfortable to work with other races. This is just my personal openion.

As some of you mentioned, it is attitude coupled with your intelligence and skill set, and more important your committment to work carries you through. I strongly believe in this.

If this is of any importance to anyone, I regularly go for lunch, dinner etc with my colleagues, they invite me also. Again, I don't have to say they are not all of them indians.







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The cowards never started,
The weak died on the way,
Only the strong arrived.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yK1i9cLAMM

 
Post ID: 142773 01-05-09 15:20:42
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charlesjain
Junior Desi
Member since: Sep 04




Posts: 43
Location: Mississauga


I would say networking really helps in getting you a hidden job. Stay connected to positive and like minded people. It is essential in this country. As I said, do networking. It really helps in achieving your goal in this country especially in this economy whereby companies are cutting jobs and hours. Good Wishes!!
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Charlesjain

 
Post ID: 142776 01-05-09 16:15:57
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ILOVENA
Senior Desi
Member since: Jan 09




Posts: 295
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Come on guys! let's face it... this is not the great world we see in Bollywood or Hollywood. There is injustice, discrimination, prejudice, and racism everywhere in the world.


I must say this - I mean no offense to those who form part of the \"scheduled caste or scheduled tribe\" Back home in India, we have millions suffer, simply because they can not be part of the this elite class. There are millions who have the best marks, but wont get hired because someone from the elite class can will get the job , even though this person just scrapped through with 40 % marks. Then we have these not so privileged ones who get stepped on, because someone from a reserved category gets a promotion because of his caste. We have reservations based on religion, but nothing has been done to encourage women (especially in rural India) to keep up with the development in the country...

When we were in India, what did we do to fight this discrimination? What did we do to raise our voice? Did we form a forum to voice our dissent. The big answer is a resounding \"NO\"!!

Why is it always convenient to travel 6000 miles to Canada, and yell bloody discrimination? Why don't we come together as ONE community, to help each other, set up businesses together, and prosper together? Why do we always gripe, find fault with the system, and cry hoarse about the weaknesses here?

The answer lies in our culture - we see ourselves fragmented on lines of caste, community & religion. We do NOT trust each other. We are jealous of each others success, and all we can do is use this forum to rave and rant about the \"racism, discrimination, and injustice\".

As much as I respect the freedom of speech, this attitude of ours will NOT get us desis anywhere!

I challenge us Desi's to come together for a business venture, a common idea, and shared prosperity. Let me see how many can take up the gauntlet, instead of just ranting about what they have gone through in this country.


 
Post ID: 142789 02-05-09 07:16:42
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meghal
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Member since: Jul 04




Posts: 1651
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Quote:
Originally posted by tamilkuravan


In my ex-office, I have regularly seen the owner giving overtime to Canadian born and educated people where as VM's (Visible minorities) have been denied the same. Also my owner always likes to hire CBEP (canadian born and educated people) for the same low salary but he ends up having to hire VM's.
What most of my friends have told me in the past 6 1/2 years :




Can a CBEP be VM?


 
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