Protestors desecrate Indian tricolour in Canada
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Originally posted by JaiHo
Protest is a different thing but these idiots insulted my National Flag, which is so close to my heart. All my life, since I was a kid - I always respected and saw everyone respect my National Flag.
It is so easy for us to be upset and angry. Khoon Khaul uthata hai - isn't it? Intensionally or unintensionally, we lean on to show more Love towards Country & Religion after leaving the home land and when not in the circle.
So do you think these things don't happen in India? Not during protest but I see Indians humiliating the Flag on Aug 16th & Jan 27th. Remember all those paper/plastic flags, which are being sold at every other corner shop & straffic light? Do you think everybody takes care of the flag that they buy?
I am not saying that two wrong makes one right. I absolutely agree that one must show respect for Indian National Flag. But before asking some other country to act on these guys, Indian Government should clean its house first.
OK ... government can't teach each and every individual of India to respect but atleast it can come up with strict guidlines for manufacturer? Paper flags are good, but designs on Plastic Flags are weird and does not match the specification. Those designers are equally insulting the flag.
There was an flag burning incident in Sharjah during ODI. Kapil Dev raised voice and I think he didnot play there again. Whole cricket loving country watched it and what happened after that?
Government asked every theater to play National Anthem after the show - and when I was there last March, I was touched to see everyone standing still. But to horror, the tape that they played was horrible. Tape was old and broken. Definitely not to what is expected.
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First of all lets clarify a few things - I am an athiest - and have been an active member of amnesty international and would speak for victims regardless of who they are.
Do yourself a favor and look at this one and a half minute clip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncXwwZ6Jnv8
Also I have studied sikhism and its a beautiful philosophy - however its not a religion - you can not be born a sikh and you can't convert to sikhism - it is an elevated state of conscience that can be realized through meditation, sharing what you have and fighting for basic human rights for every one (not just your own).
Also sporting a certain look does not make you a sikh - in that sense Jail Singh, Manmohan Singh etc are not sikhs by definition but may be by birth and/or culture.
If boot licker Jews in German govt who'd suck up to German nazi govt are elevated to high posts that does not in anyway lessen the enormity of holocaust.
Its ok for you people to mock me but it takes a higher level of intellect to raise above bigotry and have compassion for others who were butchered in name of keeping a country together. Patriotism is an obsolete concept in today's world - humanitarianism is not - why get worked up over strings woven together and dyed a certain color. Have a spirit as free as a bird.
Febreet - if your father was burnt alive and your mother raped while police stood guard - would you still be advising me to move on ? Also what is your take on Godhara ?
I have also been to Kashmir and learnt about the human right abuses first hand. Countries who indulge in excesses should remeber one thing
NO JUSTICE NO PEACE
Nobody care whether you are active member of amnesty international or you are athiest. Also, none of us have to learn from you that Giani Zail Singh (by the way his name was not Jail Singh) or Dr. Manmohan Singh are not sikhs.
Neither Febpreet or anybody else here saying that what happenned in 1984 was correct.
Also, now everybody knows from where you have got all this info, when you say jews, godhra, kashmir but forgot to mention 9/11 or 26/11 or london bombing, etc.
You are really jinxed to your home country and Canada. Instead of asking question to Febpreet ask yourself, what would you have thought if you were in Marriott (this will be more near to your home) or Mumbai or World Trade Centre?
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Originally posted by jinxed
First of all lets clarify a few things - I am an athiest - and have been an active member of amnesty international and would speak for victims regardless of who they are.
Do yourself a favor and look at this one and a half minute clip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncXwwZ6Jnv8
Also I have studied sikhism and its a beautiful philosophy - however its not a religion - you can not be born a sikh and you can't convert to sikhism - it is an elevated state of conscience that can be realized through meditation, sharing what you have and fighting for basic human rights for every one (not just your own).
Also sporting a certain look does not make you a sikh - in that sense Jail Singh, Manmohan Singh etc are not sikhs by definition but may be by birth and/or culture.
If boot licker Jews in German govt who'd suck up to German nazi govt are elevated to high posts that does not in anyway lessen the enormity of holocaust.
Its ok for you people to mock me but it takes a higher level of intellect to raise above bigotry and have compassion for others who were butchered in name of keeping a country together. Patriotism is an obsolete concept in today's world - humanitarianism is not - why get worked up over strings woven together and dyed a certain color. Have a spirit as free as a bird.
Febreet - if your father was burnt alive and your mother raped while police stood guard - would you still be advising me to move on ? Also what is your take on Godhara ?
I have also been to Kashmir and learnt about the human right abuses first hand. Countries who indulge in excesses should remeber one thing
NO JUSTICE NO PEACE
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Originally posted by jinxed
Also I have studied sikhism and its a beautiful philosophy - however its not a religion -
At first, I thought not to respond to your post as I avoid arguing about religion, but I couldn't resist as your post picked me at few places. Well, I forgive you for that.
Agree, Sikhism is a beautiful philosophy and a way of life, but what other religion isn't? Isn't a Hinduism, Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Buddhism a way of life and a philosophy? Being a Sikh who believe in it's root values, I however do not agree with you when you say it's not a religion. Sikhism is very much a religion. When someone asks me what is my religious inclination, I affirm to be a Sikh. Now, different people have diverse definitions of a Sikh. It's another topic and been pretty hot lately (courtesy. SGPC).
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you can not be born a sikh and you can't convert to sikhism
On the contrary, it's very much a practice and some people from other faiths do it. Go to any Sikh temple and ask them to be converted to Sikhism. They will guide you through the process. I can 100% confirm this fact. You're an athiest, so probably you won't get it. There have been an influx of white people into Sikhism and they got converted by following a due process.
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- it is an elevated state of conscience that can be realized through meditation, sharing what you have and fighting for basic human rights for every one (not just your own).
Couldn't agree more.
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Also sporting a certain look does not make you a sikh - in that sense Jail Singh, Manmohan Singh etc are not sikhs by definition but may be by birth and/or culture.
As per the latest definition by SGPC, both Giaini Zail Singh and Manmohan Singh are sikhs. This look has been given to us by our 10th Guru and certainly by sporting the same, you are known as a sikh or Khalsa by a layman or a person of other faith. It doesn't need someone to acquire Ph.D. in sikhism to call a person a sikh if he's sporting beard and a turban.
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If boot licker Jews in German govt who'd suck up to German nazi govt are elevated to high posts that does not in anyway lessen the enormity of holocaust.
It also doesn't mean that State of Israel butcher thousands of innocent civilians by keep ranting about what happened to them some 70 years ago.
In order to live in peace and harmony, everyone has to make some sacrifices. 'Move On' is just another phrase of this very sacrifice. Alternative being hatred, which the whole world has succumbed to lately. Sikhs(only NRIs) want freedom, Hindus burning Christians, Muslims hate Jews, and so on. Try to be forgiving for a day and you'll feel peace deep inside you. This is what Sikhism teaches, which your 'higher level of intellect' completely eschewed.
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Its ok for you people to mock me but it takes a higher level of intellect to raise above bigotry and have compassion for others who were butchered in name of keeping a country together.
What about thousands who were killed in Punjab in the later stages and insurgency for the next 5-7 years? Can you tell me from where the milltants got AK-47s? Who hid inside Golden Temple and didn't encounter his so called enemy face to face outside? This argument is endless and lifeless, so I don't deem to heighten it.
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Patriotism is an obsolete concept in today's world - humanitarianism is not - why get worked up over strings woven together and dyed a certain color. Have a spirit as free as a bird.
It might be an obsolete concept for you, but not for millions of people all over the world. Patriotism and Humanitarianism are two separate concepts and are not complimentary. These strings woven together form a country, otherwise there'll be blood all over the place. Separation doesn't mean peace, which is evident from India's partition. We are still at a proxy war with each other after about 60 years. Your concept of separatism is hollow, to say the least.
Again, it's a perception. One can be free as a bird in a free country like India. Thankfully and fortunately, there are only handful of 'You'. Sanity has certainly prevailed on the the rest.
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Febreet - if your father was burnt alive and your mother raped while police stood guard - would you still be advising me to move on ? Also what is your take on Godhara ?
Your words didn't deter me at all. Rather, I tend to laugh at your so called 'higher level of intellect'. So, by your logic one needs to go through all this in order to empathise with the victims. I still stick to my words and I am sure you haven't visited Delhi or Punjab after the insurgency and seen people 'Moved On' and the Sikhs - yes Sikhs condemn people like you who talk about a seperate nation. Now, I know you will say - these people are not even Sikhs. Well, um..ummm... it's a free world and free speech, no?
What happened in Godhra was unfortunate and I condemn it from the bottom of my heart. However, we only see one side of the coin and tend to forget the root cause of this unfortunate Genocide - both parties were at wrong. Two wrongs can never make right. Media was never interested in what happened to the 'Burnt Train Coaches'. Both incidences were unfortunate.
Oh! By the way, what's your take on the mass murder of 325 Canadian Citizens who were traveling by Air India?
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I have also been to Kashmir and learnt about the human right abuses first hand. Countries who indulge in excesses should remeber one thing
You're the one who see the world with just one eye. You fail to see that it's not the 'aam aadmi' who is taken to the arms, but the intruders from across the border (no, it's not a cliche) who are being trained to kill. They don't differentiate between an Armyman and an innocent human being belong to their own religion.
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NO JUSTICE NO PEACE
Sure, then we don't need Governments, Diplomats, Your Amnesty Intls, Courts, Police, Defense Forces etc. Just chaos everywhere without even understanding what the other party is talking about.
Hence, I rest my case.
Location: Brampton, Ont, Canada
Posted on: 13-02-09 09:57:49
Do not forget – India, Hindustan or Sindh was original place of Hindu’s
Invade by Mighal , killed ,raped, slaughter, loot and goes on and on
Then British did same to India.
Look at the bright side of Hindu people, they have forget all those happen in past and gave same right to all other religion including Islam, Christians etc..
Half of the other religion peoples were originally Hindu but converted by either forced or bribe.
And about Sikhism: it was a root of Hindu
Nanak (1469–1538), the founder of Sikhism, was born in the village of Rāi Bhōi dī Talwandī, now called Nankana Sahib (in present-day Pakistan)[. His father, Mehta Kalu was a Patwari, an accountant of land revenue in the government. Nanak's mother was Tripta Devi and he had one older sister, Nanaki. His parents were Khatri Hindus of the Bedi clan. – SO ORIGINALLY ITS HINDU ROOT , SO DOES BUDHHIS AND JAIN
Now the moral story of this article, if Hindu has broad heart to accept and give equal rights to other religion then Why don’t other religion people respect and car for Hindu people who have forgive them and give shelter.
WE talk about Sikh riots, godhara kand etc…etc… Why don’t u think of Kashmir pundit – who has been thrown out, Bhindrawale – was trying to apart India with help of Pakistan, 26/11 – all innocent killed, all those violent activity that going on – killed so fat nearly millions in past decades.
Just to add the note: all those Hindu , Muslim riot started with first wrong step taken by Muslims, trained burn, temple burn, when babari masjid issue happen there was no riot in the beginning but after babary incident , FIRST Muslim from UP started coming out on the road in groups and start killing Hindus , from there it spread to entire country.
Usually Hindu’s are very tolerated and calm but they loose their temper if someone attack on their identity.
HINDU HAS SUFFER LOT BUT STILL BELIEVE TO FORGIVE AND FORGET , PLEASE RESPECTS OTHERS AND THEY WILL RESPECT U.
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'Some goals are so worthy, it's glorious even to fail.' (Param Vir Chakra awardee Lt. Manoj Pandey)
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My dear Jinxed ,
To your convoluted mind set and the erroneous views that it springs - please answer one q ~ you are ready to deface / burn the Indian flag .... yaddaa yaddaa .... but may I ask you , how did you or your ancestors manage to come out of India ?? You must have applied for an Indian Passport .... if you do not believe in India / respect it why did you / your ancestors apply for it ??? And if you did , either you should show respect to the nation and the philosophy , or be prepared to call a person of no integrity .
There have been problems , there always are ..... some die down and some continue to live ...... and are fed by people like your own self .... the best part is that since there are no major differences b/w Hindus and Sikhs , whatever flickering you and your thought mates may do , since there are no takers .... they will burn themselves out ..... God Bless my dear "Atheist " .
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Fido.
