Which is Good PR or Workpermit to get a good Job ??


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ani70   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 22-02-04 12:27:52

Hi Guys,
Recently I got a feedback from one of my friend who landed as PR and opened Immigration Consultancy firm back in India.
I was surprised to see his comment about current job market in Canada
Find below my friend's comment ....actually I was discussing with him regarding current Canadian job market for a new Immigrant
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The scenerio is not like that. I know Canada too and I know what is going on now. Thousands of work permits are being issued from New Delhi High Commission and not for only Labour jobs. I have personally seen almost daily 10/15 cases of Software Engineers are going from India not as a PR but with WP only and salaries are not less than Cdn$60,000 p.a. It is an art how this is being arranged. Cooks, chefs, nannies, plumbers, sweet-makers, carpenters are all going with salaries not less than Cdn$36,000 a year in all cases. I have seen them personally. These jobs are all confirmed by HRDC, Canada. I think you will have to kill a good of number of man-days before you come across such opportunities. All major immigration consultants are hyperactive in this Work Permit route. What you,me and all immigrants used to know and see in Canada are things of the past. Situations are thoroughly changed. PRs have no jobs or have low level jobs, but in the work permit fronts situations are different
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Mishtar India   
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Location: Toronto

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 22-02-04 14:28:39

Ani,
Your post is very thought provoking. I do not know the accuracy of your friend's claim, but it certainly is a fact that there are many work permits being issued by CHC, in Markham I met a a person who came on a work permit on $60K salary.
Same is true for US as well, while the domestic job market remains sluggish and 2 million americans lost jobs in last 2 years, there are thousands of H1 and L1 visas being issued every year and employers are pushing for even more visas.
This is something very interesting and I feel we should get some professional opinions from some HR people as well to explain this phenomenon.

any HR people out there who would like to comment..


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jake3d   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 22-02-04 16:04:41

Hmmm! This is new to me. Wow!

As far as I know work permits are not that easy to procure. I guess there is a way around everything in this world :D

Maybe Masood can give his opinion on the issue since he deals with immigration?


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mercury6   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 22-02-04 16:43:37

This is crazy, so Canada govt is issuing work permits but PRs with same qualification or experience cannot find the same jobs. something is terribly wrong with Canada....


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BlueLobster   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 22-02-04 16:52:05

What I'd really like to know is who's hiring people on the work permits. Is it Canadian companies or desi companies providing consultants?


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ani70   
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Location: Canada

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 22-02-04 20:27:50

Hi Guys,
I am also in touch with my friend and will keep you guys posted if I hear something new from him
In December 2003 I accidentally met two desi's in Toronto who came with Work Permit for a desi IT company so I presume most of the company might be desi company or Canadian companies somehow connected with Indian Companies(BPO etc etc)
I don't think we should compare with US as far as work permit is concerned because
(1)Applying for PR in Canada and applying for GC in US is different to a great extent ...except a few categories most of the cases US GC can be filed only via employer (from duel intent visa H1 or L1)where as in Canada most of professionals are getting PR on individual category
(2)Total job shifting in US is largely because of cost cutting as domestis workforce is comparatively quite expensive where as in Canada job shifting (If my friend's story is true!) should not be because of cost cutting as anyway professionsls with Canadian citizenship/PR still struggling to get a decent salary/job
Thanks
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bumbaya   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 22-02-04 22:45:43

hi guyz how r u al?
this makes a strikingly different fact (if there is reality) and needs to be explored to its grassroots as the same office in delhi or wherever knows for sure that there are sooooooooo many highly educated professionals already in canada and if i am not mistaken the criteria to issue a work permit is not finding people of the same skill in Canada for which the employers are supposed to advertise and conduct interviews and give substantial proof of their findings to the CHC
so lets dig this deeper because if not
1 those who r already here on pr because of lack of info will never get those jobs and continue to be underpaid
2 those who do get work permits might eventually apply and get pr and will definitely give another picture to prospective applicants
eventually only approx 5% (acc to some surveys and whatever little knowledge i have) of immigrants will have those reasonable jobs and the rest will have thru the grind of nonsensical jobs totally changing their lifestyle and more importantly hurting their self esteem having a ripple effect in their and their families' day to day life.
In any case the country tends to benefit by showing hope to the thousands of applicants by giving just a handful of those work permits
a) helps them to mention in their statistics software engineer pays are so n so
b) issued prs to so many software engineers from south india in 2002 - 2003
c) helps them to get more skilled and professional labourers thus continuing the add assembly line manpower supply
In my belief there has to be a way to not just bring this to the attention of concerned authorities but to ascertain those who are already here get their worth.
cheers n keep up the gr8 work


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