What is this nonsense about Sunita Willaims?
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My apologies. Its Indians not Gujjus, as pointed out. Fair enough.
Thank god India won the T20 and Indians can concentrate on the achievement done by the team. Not on some lady who is an American and claims to be "Indian at heart". Huh!
BTW, never expected passionate discussion. But amused that some folks are still in the colonization era. Cant come out of that, I guess. Its upto them.
DIO
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Posted on: 25-09-07 06:35:11
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Posted on: 25-09-07 06:35:11
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Originally posted by desi in ottawa
some folks are still in the colonization era.
DIO
Please explain that statement if you don't mind.
Some bee's hornet you stirred eh Ronnie James DIO.
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Posted on: 25-09-07 06:50:26
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Posted on: 25-09-07 06:50:26
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Originally posted by BlueLobster
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Originally posted by investpro
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Originally posted by BlueLobster
How about Laxmi Mittal (he's a british citizen)?
Please let me know when Laxmi became a British Citizen. I always love to take this guy's example by citing the fact that despite living in the UK and having built an empire from there he still holds an Indian passport.
My bad, he still retains an Indian passport.
The point however is exactly the same. He's a British resident who operates out of Europe, it would only be a formality if he changes his passport. So should we respect him? And what about his kids? I'm not sure about their citizenship (I doubt they have Indian passports but not sure). But if his son or daughter go on an achieve great heights in life, should we not feel proud about that? And should we not use them as role models for young Indians?
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Ok, just thought that he changed his nationality while I was sleeping...
I respect him regardless of his nationality- no more and no less than Warren Buffett.
Yeah you're right he should be a beacon of light not only for young Indians but older ones as well and for people of all other nationalities- not just indians.
Don't forget DLF's boss was not 'young' (in his fifties) when he decided to go the route he did and now he is in the Forbes list- Amazing guy!
Everytime I see that letter from Forbes thanking me for his name- it swells me up.
I actually did a write -up on him for India Today way back in 1999. Real towering personality. When he walked into Maurya Sheraton (Delhi) in a black custom made suit with a red hankie in the pocket- what charisma! And you should have seen the treatmnent he got from everybody. "Laat Sahib".
And now for Ronnie James to come on with his colonization era thing (that "laat sahib", DIO, is to spur you on man)
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Originally posted by desi in ottawa
BTW, never expected passionate discussion. But amused that some folks are still in the colonization era. Cant come out of that, I guess. Its upto them.
DIO
It is a point of view ..... you feel it smacks of colonial complexes.... well you have a right to belive what you want to ........ the broder discussion here i feel is what constiutes an Indian .....
Had someone, who had spent his life in India said that , I would have maybe attributed it to lack of knowledge of the world around us (even though in today's day & age with television that is also not an excuse). But to come from someone who had been exposed to various nationalities in global village ... it seems a bit sad .... but as i said it is your view ... live with it.
On a different note ... i would just add something. Hope you rember President Kennedy .... he was of Irish desent ... he termed his visit to ireland "a journey home", even though it was his great grandfather who had come to America from Ireland .....
Read http://www.jfklibrary.org/JFK+Library+and+Museum/Visit+the+Library+and+Museum/Museum+Exhibits/JFK+in+Ireland+Exhibit.htm
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Originally posted by puttoo
Look at China's growth .... a major driving force has been the Chinese dispora all over the world. ...... they dont go around asking these people for birth certificates and " blood" samples
I am sure your next statement is going to be that the current progress and economy of India is due to people who have left India like your own good self and Sunita William's father .
There lies the difference in our views - I feel that the current Indian as well as China's progress is due to the milions working in those countries and not due to the minuscule abroad who do not contribute to the country's progress. Exceptions like LN Mittal or those who do are present.
OK so you agree that Sunita Wiliams is an American ... then how s she different from any other American ...... ok so she has origin in India which is more than a generation old ........ so what does she plan to do for India if she has not done already .... return to India or open an Organization in India in which she shall be associated with ..... what ????
I feel an average professional returning back to India and contributing to its welfare is much deserving of than her as per her Indian origin is concerned .
Thats why I say its just a lip service ... still do not understand why Indians are feeling so good about it . Aptly phrased ...' Begaani shaadi mein Abdullah Deewana ' . ........ but hush ...... I might have said this sooner .. who knows that with all this Indian visit and felicitation , she might develop objective affectioins to india and do something for India's benefit .... in which case I will bite my lip .... but till then .. no.
Otherwise obviously she is a respected accomplished American astronaut. No questions on that .
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Fido.
The usual great Indian Tamasha... Alas!! Who's Sunita Williams - An American??
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Originally posted by Fido
- I feel that the current Indian as well as China's progress is due to the milions working in those countries and not due to the minuscule abroad who do not contribute to the country's progress.
ok so India and china are economic islands whose people worked hard and BANG one day the economies started shining ?
Lets not kid ourselves the progress is due to a lot of factors including the diaspora who often act as facilitators and ambassadors for the foreign investment going into India and China. This is without the amount of $ flowing into India from the personal coffers of the diaspora in the Persian gulf and the west. Entire states in India have been transformed by people who visit the country once a year(at the most).
Ok lets scratch a bit deeper...
So who is the 'better' or 'truer' Indian? Is it the frequency of visits and the amount of direct investment? Is it the money?If so it can then be bought?
Is there a validated level of Indianess that one should have?
Where does the Heritage fit into all this? Can one be proud of their Indian heritage if she/she is a citizen or born in another country? Or do we and our kids(especially the latter) just forget about the heritage since ties to India have diminished over time? Assimilation? What is the exact cutoff point? 2 yrs,3 yrs or is it 8yrs
If we ARE proud of the heritage does that not entitle us to a sense of belonging? Is that sense of belonging wrong? Or is it the 'current and active' links that matter?
more food for thought.
From what I know the more inclusive an idea, philosophy or religion....the longer and stronger it lasts. If we define 'Indianness' too narrowly...we are not doing it much of a service. India like any other country is an 'Idea' first. People of India believe(for the most part) in the Idea. e.g: people who did not believe in it formed Pakistan.
If the diaspora believes in the idea...that will only make the idea stronger...not weaker.
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