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"Keep on trucking!!"
Yeah, , you could probably make a 6 figure income doing that.
oh yeah! With not a care about mundane stuff like communication skills!
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Posted on: 05-09-07 00:20:25
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Posted on: 05-09-07 00:20:25
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Originally posted by investpro
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Originally posted by BlueLobster
"Keep on trucking!!"
Yeah, , you could probably make a 6 figure income doing that.
oh yeah! With not a care about mundane stuff like communication skills!
Absolutely!
But on a more serious note, even though I appreciate that you go for point 2 in your post, I am working very hard to make it possible for all those who come here w/o proper knowledge of English/French to score decent jobs because after all their skills in their profession count more in my opinion. Once they are hired, their English skills will automatically improve (may not reach the level of those educated in an English medium), their soft skills will improve and they will slowly sort of integrate into the work culture here. To deprive them of the chance to show their stuff just because their English/French skills, soft skills aren't as per the norm in Canada is an injustice.
Anyway lots of material on all this on this forum before. One just has to keep at it though so the mind set changes and employers hire the new immigrants for their skills in the profession. The rest will follow.
The more the people who crib, the better for us. I only wish those who bitch would also follow up by bringing about a change. The change is coming ever so slowly though, but I can perceive it to be better than it was several years ago, but it's still a mighty long road to travel.
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I am sure you don't need to know that those of a darker colour than us (think Malcolm X)have been fighting for centuries for equal treatment and though many will agree things are better now than 50 years ago, it's still not where they would like it to be.
Same goes for the equal treatment of women in the workplace.
And the battle for recognition of immigrants' skills and education will also be an arduous road.
As you so succinctly point out ,it's not a perfect world. No matter the improvements, there always will be a need for amelioration.
Should you wish to continue the discussion, please do so, o/w we shall lay it to rest.
Anyways, it's a BHATT thread.
As an FYI, truck drivers and processors I would say work in a professional environment, unless you read something else into it.
That's cool too.
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Originally posted by investpro
But on a more serious note, even though I appreciate that you go for point 2 in your post, I am working very hard to make it possible for all those who come here w/o proper knowledge of English/French to score decent jobs because after all their skills in their profession count more in my opinion. Once they are hired, their English skills will automatically improve (may not reach the level of those educated in an English medium), their soft skills will improve and they will slowly sort of integrate into the work culture here.
Good for you if you're working very hard to make it possible for "all those". I'd love to hear how.
Diagree that English will "take care of itself" once they start working. Like I said, I'm not sure what kind of environment you work in, but where I work, lack of English is a non-starter. Aside from interacting with co-workers to get the job done, people are required to go to meetings, do presentations, participate in other events etc...you might get the jist. All the power to your company if they're willing to hire people who struggle with basic grammar to conduct these activities, mine (and most I know) will not.
There are some soft-skills that are best learnt on the job (certain mannerisms, tact, public speaking etc), and I have hired or referred immigrants in the past and will continue to do so for those who still need to come up to speed in them. English isn't one of them and you can learn basic English without working. Nobody's looking for Lord Byrons but if you can't form a sentence without butchering grammar and are wondering why you can't land a job as a professional, you only have yourself to blame.
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To deprive them of the chance to show their stuff just because their English/French skills, soft skills aren't as per the norm in Canada is an injustice.
I was talking about basic English and communication, there are a lot of other soft skills that need to be learned on the job. In that context, no. I don't see the rejection of someone who can't form proper sentences as an injustice. Having said that, people with poor English still get jobs even though it isn't the norm. But if you can dramatically up your odds of landing a job by speaking and writing better English, you have to be super-complacent or stupid to wait around for your luck to shine with the status quo.
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Anyway lots of material on all this on this forum before. One just has to keep at it though so the mind set changes and employers hire the new immigrants for their skills in the profession. The rest will follow.
Oh yeah, let's put on all the onus on employers.
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The more the people who crib, the better for us. I only wish those who bitch would also follow up by bringing about a change. The change is coming ever so slowly though, but I can perceive it to be better than it was several years ago, but it's still a mighty long road to travel.
Right. Common sense might suggest that the road can be easier and shorter if the changes are brought about on both sides of the equation...i.e. employers and job-seekers.
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I am sure you don't need to know that those of a darker colour than us (think Malcolm X)have been fighting for centuries for equal treatment and though many will agree things are better now than 50 years ago, it's still not where they would like it to be.
Granted. But I'm sure you know that the circumstances they fought in were VERY different, I hope you're not trying to equate slavery and the complete lack of opportunity to this situation. I'd like to think you're smarter than that. Its still not where they would like it to be and there's still discrimination. On the flip side, there's now a whole class content sitting on their laurels living on welfare still whining about how they've been wronged. If you ever like to hear the other perpsective, there's a lot of black leaders apalled at how this percentile of their community is shaping up and if you go back to the leaders of the "movement" and ask them what they think of these guys, you'll get some choice words.
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As an FYI, truck drivers and processors I would say work in a professional environment, unless you read something else into it.
That's cool too.
Sure, you can call a truck driver the CEO of his truck too. And call yourself a radical non-conformist who started that trend. Cool with me. If there's one thing you can learn from the Bush administration.....
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As you so succinctly point out ,it's not a perfect world. No matter the improvements, there always will be a need for amelioration.
Should you wish to continue the discussion, please do so, o/w we shall lay it to rest.
Anyways, it's a BHATT thread.
I agree, let's give it back to the Bhatts.
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Though I agree that improper usage of English or for that reason any language is a point noted soon , but people who judge others based only on their language & soft skills are not deciding correctly .
As long as a person is skilled in his trade , he should be allowed with bare acceptable communication skills - if he is persistent he will learn them on the way anyways .
I have seen IT pros in Indian (back office) communicating with Americans in broken english and still doing the job perfectly - and the Americans accepting this fact gladly .
BUT - WHAT ABOUT BHATT ?
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Though I agree that improper usage of English or for that reason any language is a point noted soon , but people who judge others based only on their language & soft skills are not deciding correctly .
As long as a person is skilled in his trade , he should be allowed with bare acceptable communication skills - if he is persistent he will learn them on the way anyways .
I have seen IT pros in Indian (back office) communicating with Americans in broken english and still doing the job perfectly - and the Americans accepting this fact gladly .
Fairly typical view of desi old-timers that a job is just a job. You go to your job, do your job and then go home. And you save. Sums up life, don't it?
Also shows a lot of self-esteem when you choose to judge your competencies by what Americans "accept". And a fairly simplistic view at that too, considering this only works for back-office jobs.
There's obviously differing views on this and that's fine. Let's at least keep the point the same. I'm not talking about back-office jobs in India or jobs in America, nor am I talking about ALL soft-skills. What I'm saying is it would certainly help someone's chances in job-hunting in CANADA (NOT AMERICA) if they spoke and wrote reasonably good English. Simple point. And I'm cool if people don't agree, you're free to speak any kind of English you like.
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BUT - WHAT ABOUT BHATT ?
Now you're talking!
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You mis read my perception of life which is concentrate on the job and technical skills as they matter more . A surgeon /programmer is more sought because of his technical skills - the receptionist takes care of the soft skill part .
OK BL I will ask you a question -
If you are the recruiter for a professional technical job which of the following would you prefer :
a. A person with 8 -9 soft skill and 3-4 technical skill .
b. A person with 8-9 technical skill and 3-4 soft skill .
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Fido.
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Originally posted by Fido
You mis read my perception of life which is concentrate on the job and technical skills as they matter more . A surgeon /programmer is more sought because of his technical skills - the receptionist takes care of the soft skill part .
OK BL I will ask you a question -
If you are the recruiter for a professional technical job which of the following would you prefer :
a. A person with 8 -9 soft skill and 3-4 technical skill .
b. A person with 8-9 technical skill and 3-4 soft skill .
The way your question is constructed, I would choose
Option c. A person with 8-9 soft skill and 8-9 technical skill.
Nevermind. Our views don't have to co-incide.
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