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Can someone explain to me why Dravid did not enforce the follow-on?




Can anybody watching the India England test explain this to me? Trust me, I already have some choice words for Dravid for not doing so. That's not what I'm looking for.

Here was a wonderful chance to win the 2nd test as well and make history. I feel like that was potentially thrown away by India not enforcing the follow-on. (We might still win, but I feel we've reduced the chances greatly, it'll probably be a draw now)

Howver, I don't consider myself an expert in cricket strategy, so maybe there's something I'm missing here. I'm trying to stay away from the "Dravid's galactically stupid" and the "bookies played a role" angle.

Cricket geniuses, please enlighten me.

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I am no genius and I'm equally baffled.

Two possibilities come to mind -

1. Match-fixing and/or betting on India not enforcing follow-on

2. Lazy buggers (Indian bowlers) have already bowled/fielded for more than a full day and don't want to bowl/field for another possible two days.

They want to put their feet up while the batsmen add a few more runs.

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They are already 5 down for less than 100 - what a disaster.
Capt. Dravid scored 12 off 96 balls.
I smell match-fixing.

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I'm perplexed too. With a huge 319 run lead and more than 5 sessions left, he should have gone for the kill. Shows a lack of faith in his bowlers.

As if choosing to bat was not strange enough, the scoring rate has been too slow (esp Dravid's) to justify the decision.

As I write, they have finally declared at a 499 run lead, and just over a day to dismiss them - not to mention the chances of showers. It's almost as if he doesn't want to win.

A parallel can be drawn to the 1999 drawn test against NZ when India didn't enforce follow on despite a substantial lead. Match fixing was suspected there as well - and if I remember correct, Kapil's name was dragged in it (he was the coach then).

I think Dravid is too much of a gentleman to be involved in something like match fixing. More like a stupid strategy (or too lazy to take the field again as Pratick mentioned). Wait, could this also be due to the absence of a coach in the team?





 
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Hi Everyone

It seems decision is based on his defensive nature. He is considered a "Wall" for nothing. DEFEND....DEFEND....DEFEND....is all he does.

It leaves a bad feeling on the viewers' mind.

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Every Indian is Cricket Genius. :)

Shocking decision. I don't think it is because of the bowlers though. He does not believe in Bats. He is correct to an extent - these same bats could not carry through last day in some of the recent tests. For this team, 150+ in last inning is impossible.

He should have gone for kill. Decision is definitely defensive. His main aim is to win series. Which I hope comes through.

There is a light at the end of Tunnel for England too.

Draw is more likely now ... :cheers:


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Originally posted by lali

Hi Everyone

It seems decision is based on his defensive nature. He is considered a "Wall" for nothing. DEFEND....DEFEND....DEFEND....is all he does.

It leaves a bad feeling on the viewers' mind.



I wondered about that as well. But how is it a defensive decision? If he had enforced the follow-on, then one of two things would've happened.

1) They would've batted out the 2 days and the match would be a draw. Fine, India's still got the series.
2) They would've been skittled out for either less than or marginally more than India's lead, which would've given India a very good chance to win.

Given things like morale and the Indian team riding on a high, I would've thunk #2 was a higher probability.

With this stupid decision, all we've done is now given them a faint glimmer of hope. Granted, the chances are low, but what is England turns around tomorrow and produces a spectacular performance and actually scores the 500?

Albeit still low, the odds of them winning have definately gone substantially higher than before. And the odds of a draw are now much higher as well.

I don't believe Dravid himself would be involved in match-fixing, but hey, those goons in Bombay are pretty powerful. And Dravid's only a captain, mostly at their mercy.

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Greed to hold on to Captaincy
It is more related with the captaincy issue. Dravid does not want to lose the captaincy by losing the match and leveling the series so gone safe rather going for the kill and in the bargain killing the game and befooling the cricket loving Janta.

Look at Aussies, South Africa, West Indies, etc always play for result.

Poor Captaincy and Dravid was never a captaincy material and he proved that time and again.





 
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Quote:
Originally posted by kalia

It is more related with the captaincy issue. Dravid does not want to lose the captaincy by losing the match and leveling the series so gone safe rather going for the kill and in the bargain killing the game and befooling the cricket loving Janta.

Look at Aussies, South Africa, West Indies, etc always play for result.

Poor Captaincy and Dravid was never a captaincy material and he proved that time and again.






I agree with you dravids captaincy has been poor .... he is very defensive, hence the decision to bat again. He just wanted to be sure that Indian win is the only possibilty or a draw .... which would still keep it an Indian win in a series.

Jughead .... i doubt it would be match fixing .... remember Calacutta 2000-01 ... Australia asked India to follow on and went on to lose the match with Laxman making a double ton. ...... think Dravid did not want anyhting left to chance .. esp after the world cup debacle and Ganguly on his back ...


 
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I think Dravid is too much of a gentleman to be involved in something like match fixing.

I used to say the exact same thing about Azhar.

That aside, it was not just a stupid captaincy decision.
The stupidness was followed by silliness - a scoring rate of barely 3/over.
Of course, the English slow bowlers were bowling round the leg stump - but what else would you expect?

What happened today flies in the face of everything that test cricket stands for - test cricket can sometimes be more challenging and more entertaining that one-day, but it's overly defensive decisions like these that'll be the undoing of test cricket.

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