Sehawag, Bhajji, Munaf out of tour


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Maharaj   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 21-06-07 20:00:57

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Originally posted by puttoo
I was responding to your this quote ... that after his century in Sydney was a fluke & he did nothing after taht ... here goes .....
This Sydney century was made on 18 Jan 2004 & India went on to win this match ..... the next match against Zimbabwe ... he again scored a century on 24 Jan ...... the score was 3 for 4 when he started playing ....... India went on to win ..... Then in Pakistan he made 107 in 104 balls with Shoib Akhtar playing ..... this was on 24 March 2004 ...... India won this match ..... he did not play the first match as you righly said & India won ... but he was instrumental in winning the last match & India won the series ...

Funny you shoud say that after the series against Australia Sachin & Kapil asked the selectors to keep him in One day squad ..... he had scored 2 test hundreds and scored two one day hundres in that series ..... stll selectors had to asked to include him in the team ....... funny



You sound Confuse here ... OK ... I was talking about Series of 1999-2000 ... Century in 2nd Inning of Last Test @ Sydney ... Kapil & Sachin asked Selectors for ODIs which followed after. He was total Failure in that ODI Triangular Tournament. Team India managed to Win only One Match - which Laxman did not play. I don't turn Pages but as far my memory goes - he did not go into double digit. You can check your score sheet.

I don't deny he was good player. But only in Patches. He does not stand chance now. He is one of those slow movers - captains face hard time hiding him.


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febpreet   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 21-06-07 22:41:36

BCCI should made a rule, play in 10 ODIs, underperform and go out of the team and sit home. Need of an hour is rigorous training and coaching in domestic circle, more glorification of domestic cricket with good number of sponsors, then we can have a world class players in Indian team. Not to forget a great bench strength.

Indian domestic cricket should be at par with the inter-state championships and playoffs of American games. Put some money into glorifying, promoting, and glamourising it. Even if it means copying the way Americans do the things. Get good and rigorous selection committee into Domestic and keep away all the political interference into it. Then only we can boast of a rich cricket team with real talent.

The message should be loud and clear - Perform or Out!!!



puttoo   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 22-06-07 08:54:30

Quote:
Originally posted by febpreet

BCCI should made a rule, play in 10 ODIs, underperform and go out of the team and sit home.

The message should be loud and clear - Perform or Out!!!



Well dont agree with it .... but for argument sake will take your suggestion of performance in last ten matches as benchmark for inclusion in Indian team.


now here are the figures for the batsmen in present one day squad.


1)Gautam Gambhir 10 (M) - 308 (Runs) - 30.80 Avg.
2)Dinesh Karthik 10(M) - 182 (Runs) - 30.33
3) Robin Uthappa 10(M) - 199(Runs) - 22.11

Now some players who are listed as "A".....
1) Rahul Dravid 10(M) - 294 - 49.00
2) Yuvraj Singh 10(M) - 369 - 46.12
3) M S Dhoni 10 (M) - 397 - 66.16
4) Sourav Ganguly 10(M) - 518 - 64.75
5) Sahin Tendulkar 10(M) - 310 - 44.28


Now you tell me who should be in the team .....You must look at Ganguly's figures especially ..... this is for sll those people shouting for him to be thrown out of Indian team .... in the last 10 matches he has played .... his score are as under .....68/62/DNB/48/58/66/89/7/32/88 ........ show me another player playing for India who has performed like this in their last 10 matches .... & has not found favor with selectors .....


everyone has a simple scheme for improving indian cricket ... perform or out ..... but right now the problem is who gets IN!!!!!!!



puttoo   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 22-06-07 09:08:28

I remeber that on Sydney January 2-4 .... he scored 167 in a match when everyone elese failed miserably ....total indian score was 261 .... he did not perform in the one dayers & was dropped form Indian team ....

Then was picked for the team next year when Australia visited India (sahin begged the selectors) .... he scored match winning 281 on Mrach 18-22 2001 test at Kolkatta .... his performance in that series for test .....20/12/59/281/65/66 .... in the same one day series his scores were 45/51/83/11/101 ..... again you think sachin was wrong in asking the selectors to call him back

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Originally posted by Maharaj

Quote:

You sound Confuse here ... OK ... I was talking about Series of 1999-2000 ... Century in 2nd Inning of Last Test @ Sydney ... Kapil & Sachin asked Selectors for ODIs which followed after. He was total Failure in that ODI Triangular Tournament. Team India managed to Win only One Match - which Laxman did not play. I don't deny he was good player. But only in Patches. He does not stand chance now. He is one of those slow movers - captains face hard time hiding him.






pratickm   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 22-06-07 09:13:04

I don't agree with this 10 match or out strategy.
Batsmen go through phases and forms.
If this rule were followed, the team would be in constant shuffle and there would be no consistency.
We won't need selectors, managers or even coaches anymore - everything will be automatic.
If a player's average is below a certain arbitrary number, he would be automatically dropped and the next in line will come in - therefore, the team will probably change ever other match or so.

We need a strategy to train, groom and support promising players, while retaining the senior and experienced members of the team like Sachin and Dravid.


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puttoo   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 22-06-07 09:24:12

Glad to know you think Sachin & Ganguly are an asset to team ....

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Originally posted by pratickm

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We keep dropping, re-selecting and re-dropping players.
We are quick to drop newcomers after even 1 bad performance, yet we carry the dead eight of senior players who have stopped performing long ago.
Both Ganguly and Tendulkar fall into this category.



pratickm   
Member since: Feb 04
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 22-06-07 10:32:10

Quote:
Originally posted by puttoo
Glad to know you think Sachin & Ganguly are an asset to team ....

I didn't say Sachin and Ganguly.
I said Sachin and Dravid.
Dravid for sure is an asset, IMO.
I'm split about Sachin - I think we need to start grooming a replacement, but it's not time yet to let him go.
Regarding Ganguly, my reasons for not wanting him have more to do with his attitude rather than batting skills.
As I have said earlier, he's territorial, factional and a bad influence on the team.
I don't like this "royal blood, silver-spoon-in-the-mouth" attitude.


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