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Sehawag, Bhajji, Munaf out of tour




pratickm
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I don't think it's all whinning without any basis.
Both our test and one-day record in recent times is poor.
Esp. against teams like Australia, New Zealand, etc.
I wouldn't care about the one-off loss to Bangladesh in the World Cup if we were doing better in general.

We'll have to wait and see how the England and the Australia series go.

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Post ID: 102461 22-06-07 11:47:10
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puttoo
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Pratick ... the irony in this is that we removed a winning captian .... the next tour was to Pakistan .... he was included in the team .... we lost the series ... he played in the first match ... did not get a chance to play as Sehwag and Dravid played the whole time....was dropped for the second test & then in the third test he made 34 / 37 ..... then he was dropped from the Indian team ..... reason Greg Chappel and maybe even an insecure Dravid .... or maybe anti Dalmiya camp..... but whatever it was we lost a good captain

 
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Ganguly looks aggressive when everything is going for him. If Team is losing or on a brink of (yet another) defeat – he is worried & out of ideas (as if he had at first place). You’ll hear names in presentation after defeat. I never heard him saying “I played bad today” or “I am responsible for the defeat”. Azhar had very simple explanation to every defeat – “We didn’t bat well, we didn’t bowl well and we didn’t field well”. Dravid came strong after World Cup saying as a Captain “I take full responsibility”. You wouldn’t have heard this from highly successful Ganguly. Most of the matches that Ganguly won were some brilliant performances by individual. Captain had no say or control during that phase. Rather team has snatched defeat from jaws of victory under him.

Ganguly hardly managed to defend low scoring games. That’s where the captaincy comes in. He hardly ever looked beyond Kumble & Bhajji. He had Murli Kartik – but could not use him.

It’s not much of a deal when Team comprising Tendulkar, Dravid, Sehwag, Ganguly, Dhoni, Yuvraj, Kumble, Zaheer, Harbhajan, Pathan ... … … is winning. They all are highly talented cricketers but it’s a problem when it does not happen consistently. Rather failure is more consistent.

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Both our test and one-day record in recent times is poor.


True and not just recent though. It’s difficult to concentrate & focus on result in Indian Cricket. At least we are seeing some new faces & fresh legs now. I hope they continue & be patient with them.


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Post ID: 102486 22-06-07 14:32:36
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Murali Kartik was another joker ....... he was supposed to be this wonderfull spinner .... he played 30 matches & got 27 wickets ..... come on after playing 30 matches is that what you expect as someone who is going to be your hope for future .......imagine agarkar got 50 wickets in 25 matches & you think him as an "also ran bowler"...... forget about comparing him to Kumble or bhajji

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Ganguly hardly managed to defend low scoring games. That’s where the captaincy comes in. He hardly ever looked beyond Kumble & Bhajji. He had Murli Kartik – but could not use him.






 
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Murali Kartik was another joker ....... he was supposed to be this wonderfull spinner ....


Thats what !!! ... Ganguly could not use him. He was either underbowled or defensive.

You seem to have good memory ... Remember Australia playing in Mumbai 04-05. Dravid was captain and he got 7 Wickets.


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Murali Kartik was another joker ....... he was supposed to be this wonderfull spinner ....


Thats what !!! ... Ganguly could not use him. He was either underbowled or defensive.

You seem to have good memory ... Remember Australia playing in Mumbai 04-05. Dravid was captain and he got 7 Wickets.





Yes that was in a test match !!!!!! getting 7 wickets in one game .... normally 10 wickets in a match is somethign to write about or getting 5 wickets in an innings is something to write about .....


 
Post ID: 102498 22-06-07 16:18:46
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Murli was another filler type of bowler.
Sunil Joshi was probably only slightly better than him - his batting skills were better than Murli though :)

We've had many of these filler players over the years - Atul Wassan was another (if you even recall the name).

Our selectors have the habit of going with mediocre players, whose abilities and skills are limited but predictable, rather than taking risks with youngsters.

We've never had a good strategy for training and grooming promising youngsters, such as teams like Australia and South Africa have.

Most of our wins come from stellar individual performances and players - earlier it used to be Kapil Dev; these days it's from Sachin or Kumble.

We rarely see teamwork wins.



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Same old story ..... who are these youngsters the selectors should take risk with ..... you tell me when murli kartik or atul wasan came into the team .... they were also " youngsters" ... i can name a few doda ganesh , laxmi balaji, .... list goe on & on .... youngsters are being tried left right & centre ..... but the bottom line is they are not performing ...... look at karthik dinesh and robin uthappa .... they have forced players like Sehwag out of the team ..... he was vice captain of the team .... he did not perform ... out he goes ..... because there are people to fill his place ..... the day we have a viable solution for Sachin , Ganguly etc .... they will be out .... Australia is brimming with talent .... that is the only country which has a strong bench strength ..... Look at west indies .... they look like a county side ..... even Brian Lara could not save them .... thus he opted out



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Our selectors have the habit of going with mediocre players, whose abilities and skills are limited but predictable, rather than taking risks with youngsters.






 
Post ID: 102521 23-06-07 08:57:36
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pratickm
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India and West Indies have similar problems - we depend on individual skills, rather than professional training.
West Indies was fortunate to have such a winning team from the mid 70s to the late 80s.
India had great teams in phases - Kapil's "Devils" during the mid 80s, then Azhar revived the team in the mid 90s.
Ganguly led a good team for a while.
On the other hand, Australia has been fairly consistent through the last 20 years.
Of course, now they are undisputed champions, but they have been very consistent.
South Africa has been consistent too.

New Zealand is a good example of what a team of faily mediocre, low-talent team can do with proper training and professionalism.

Right now, we probably can't even win a series against New Zealand abroad.

Our local and regional sports circuits are rife with regionalism, politics, red tape, etc.
Most promising youngsters never make it to the Ranji level in the first place.

Until we change that situation, we can't expect new talent to materialize out of thin air and replace retiring seniors.

Do you realize how lucky we were that we got Sachin and Kumble after the likes of Gavaskar, Amarnath, Vengserkar, Kapil, etc. had retired?

If Sachin and Kumble hadn't come along, Indian team would have disappeared without a trace.

I'm actually looking forward to Laloo becoming chief of BCCI.

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Even Australia lost their series in New Zealand ....... 3-0 .... they are a good side ..... well now your conspiracy theory goes to Ranji level .... so these promising youngsters you talk about where do they play cricket .... :D


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Right now, we probably can't even win a series against New Zealand abroad.

Most promising youngsters never make it to the Ranji level in the first place.





 
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