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Sehawag, Bhajji, Munaf out of tour




desi in ottawa
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Forget opinions. Look at the facts. Gregg Chapell himself rated Raina as one of the good players who would have a great future. And see where he is. May be the future has not come yet. When the four (Ganguly, Sachin, Dravid, Laxman) are in the test side, where is the chance for another middle order bat? Agarkar has been given more number of chances than anyone else.

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Originally posted by desi in ottawa

Forget opinions. Look at the facts. Gregg Chapell himself rated Raina as one of the good players who would have a great future. And see where he is. May be the future has not come yet. When the four (Ganguly, Sachin, Dravid, Laxman) are in the test side, where is the chance for another middle order bat? Agarkar has been given more number of chances than anyone else.

DIO



Just because Greg Chapell says Raina is a good player does not make him one .... he has to perform to stay in team and his performace in SA was not upto expectations ... at the same time Dinesh Kartik has performed & he finds a place in the team ....... again Robin utthapa is another player who has shown promise & is included in the team...... a player stays in the team based on performance ..... of course there will always be a few names which are going to raise eyebrows .....this is not something happening only in India ... happens in most of the teams world over....... including Australia.


 
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IMO, Raina was not given enough opportunity as compared to Agarkar and Dinesh Mongia. In fact Mongia hardly played cricket in India. Scoring runs against B'desh is a different story as against SA or the Aussies. Let's see what Uthappa will do against English bowlers.

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List of contracted players
From cricinfo.com

"In addition to match fees and a cut in the BCCI's profit, the BCCI gives an annual retainer of Rs 50 lakhs to Grade A players, Rs 35 lakhs to those in Grade B and Rs 20 lakhs for those in the final category. "

Grade A: Rahul Dravid, Sachin Tendulkar, Sourav Ganguly, Anil Kumble, Yuvraj Singh, Mahendra Singh Dhoni.

Grade B: VVS Laxman, Harbhajan Singh, Virender Sehwag, Irfan Pathan, Ajit Agarkar.

Grade C: Gautam Gambhir, Wasim Jaffer, S. Sreesanth, Zaheer Khan, Suresh Raina and Munaf Patel.


 
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I have been one of the biggest critic of Greg Chappell and the time he was appointed coach of Team india, I had the feeling that he came to destroy Team India and not to rebuild. Saurav' leadership showed Australia that Team India is a force to reckon and almost spoiled the Steve Waugh farewell in 2004.

However I liked one comment of Greg Chappell that if you want to play cricket like Aussie, You can not run like Zimbabwe. Now he is proving to right after seeing the state BBCI is running the show.

First BBCI must remove Dilip vengsarkar as Chairman of selection committee. He is the biggest culprit. First he said Laxman is not good for one day when Team was selected for South africa then Laxman was sent as replacement, and made vice captain. Next He made Sachin as vice captain for World cup and named no one as vice captain for Bangladesh tour. Now there are two Vice captain one for test Sachin and Dhoni for One day. How Sachin is no good a vice captain. then he should not be in one day squad. Vengsarkaris not having a balanced mind. By picking Gautam as replacement for Schwag for both one day and tests in England., he has committed another blunder as Gautam record is no comparison to Schwag. Team India or Mumbai india as more than half of the team is from Mumbai, remove a player and take replacement from Mumbai.


Do not know where the Team India is heading for????


 
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It never ceases to amaze me how the Indian cricket selectors continue to bet on losers and under-performers since the earliest days.

Ajit Agarkar is the latest example.
He has never quite performed to "potential", which is dubious in the first place.
Dismal batting performance and not too impressive bowling either.

Yet he continues to figure in almost all major series and tournaments.

Why can't the selectors bite the bullet and bring in a promising specialist batsman or a specialist bowler instead of these quasi so-called "all rounders"?

Robin Singh was another example - thankfully he is gone from international cricket now.

An all-rounder in Indian cricket seems to be defined as someone who bats and bowls equally badly, rather than equally well.

The only real all-rounder we've had in recent times has been Kapil Dev, even though he continued to play long after he ceased to be effective in either area.

I wish we would dump as these all-rounders and pick 5 specialist batsmen and 5 specialist bowlers for both one-dayers and tests.

As someone said earlier, batsmen can't win you matches every time.

This is esp. true for test matches - to win a test match you absolutely have to take 20 wickets in 5 days.
You can win a test match by scoring less than 200 in each innings, but you can't win without taking 20 wickets.

Which is probably why we have been winning so few test matches lately.
The only real bulk wicket taker we still have is probably Kumble, although he is way past his prime.


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Originally posted by pratickm
The only real all-rounder we've had in recent times has been Kapil Dev, even though he continued to play long after he ceased to be effective in either area.

I wish we would dump as these all-rounders and pick 5 specialist batsmen and 5 specialist bowlers for both one-dayers and tests.

As someone said earlier, batsmen can't win you matches every time.


Pathan was good #7 in making, but then he lost his bowling. He should seriously have gone back to Akram.
Dravid has always preferred 5 Bowlers. I hope he finds at least 3 good wicket taking bowlers. I am not counting Kumble.


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Pathan was good #7 in making, but then he lost his bowling. He should seriously have gone back to Akram.
Dravid has always preferred 5 Bowlers. I hope he finds at least 3 good wicket taking bowlers. I am not counting Kumble.

I agree. Pathan has potential.
So does Zaheer.
We keep dropping, re-selecting and re-dropping players.
We are quick to drop newcomers after even 1 bad performance, yet we carry the dead eight of senior players who have stopped performing long ago.
Both Ganguly and Tendulkar fall into this category.
If Laxman is not a fast enough scorer to be included in the One-Day squad, how is Ganguly a fast enough player for the one-dayers?

I think India should first figure out a strategy and game-plan for winning test matches and then focus on how to win the one-dayers.
All good team past and present have been equally good at winning tests and one-dayers (Australia, West Indies in the 70s and 80s), Sri Lanka during the late 90s, etc.

India suffers from two self-inflicted illusions -

1. We have a very good batting line-up (although batsmen more often than bowlers have been the cause of losing matches. Bowlers win us more matches than batsmen).

2. We have a very good spin attack, esp. at home ground
This is not true anymore.
I would rank India 3rd in terms of spin attack, after Australia and Sri Lanka.
The only world class spinner we have is Kumble, who in reality is not even a classical leg spinner and is well past his prime.

We gotta fix these two problems first.

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Quote:
Originally posted by pratickm

Ajit Agarkar is the latest example.
He has never quite performed to "potential", which is dubious in the first place.
Dismal batting performance and not too impressive bowling either.





Ajit Agarkar under performed? Just look at the numbers:

Ajit Agarkar:

Matches: 183
Wickets: 276
Wickets Per Match: 1.51


Zahir Khan:

Matches: 125
Wickets: 181
Wickets Per Match: 1.45

Sreesanth:

Matches: 28
Wickets: 35
Wickets Per Match: 1.25


So, he is the best amoung the fast bowlers we have and he is being selected (again and again) based on his performance.

And now look at the old guy's numbers:

Prasad:

Matches: 161
Wickets: 196
Wickets Per Match: 1.22

Srinath

Matches: 229
Wickets: 315
Wickets Per Match: 1.37


And Great Kapil!!

Matches: 225
Wickets: 253
Wickets Per Match: 1.12


And highest wicket taker Wasim Akram

Matches: 356
Wickets: 502
Wickets Per Match: 1.41

So, he is far better than anyone else!!!


BTW, I am not Ajit agarkar's fan, just wanted to make a point that he is there based on his performace and nothing else.

He is also as young as Zahir Khan.


 
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Quote:
Originally posted by pratickm

Quote:
Originally posted by Maharaj

We are quick to drop newcomers after even 1 bad performance, yet we carry the dead eight of senior players who have stopped performing long ago.
Both Ganguly and Tendulkar fall into this category.





So which new comer has been dropped after one bad performance ..... do you have a name ?


 
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