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WC 2007: Does Team India deserve to win this tournament ?.




Trinity
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The reason the cricketers are in commercials is because the advertisers know that markerting them sells - it is as simple as that. Whether or not it makes sense to portray them for the said product is another question (debatable). For instance: These guys endorse everything under the sun from biscuits to bikes.

That said, whatever happens here, life will back to what it used to be in a few days, months and all will be forgotten. Only cure is a place in the team should be earned and not be gifted (hint: Aussie team). If anything, we should realize that.

Trinity


 
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I strongly feel, their appearance in commercials or remaining in limelight has nothing to do but the real problem is with us instead of pointing to the players.

Do our people every say "You really put a good fight" or "Better luck next time". I never heard of such. This is the reason, most of the players give up once they see even a sign of disaster without putting a fight. We've seen in many other teams, the teams show a dramatic resilience after loosing 5-6 wickets initially, it even happened with India but seldom.

We've seen Michael Jordon, David Beckham, Flutie and a lot more of this popular folks in commercials and we never cribbed about it but when desi team does that, we get peeved.

Another big damn culprit are magazines, as mentioned earlier the exalted status they maintain about the few prominent players and ditch them immediately. We all (players in other countries do know) Sehwak has amazing reflex while confronting fast bowlers but the amount of pressure we put on him. With excessive pressure and no words to add courage, he can't prove easily again no matter how many more matches you offer.

Another thing, what is this going for temples/mosques/churches for special prayers . Aren't we making fun of our own religious practices and rituals.

Well, this is the same kind of attitude I've faced while even playing with friends. Literally no sportive attitude be it is Tennis or Cricket. You a drop a catch, whole team curses. In Tennis doubles, you miss one serve, your partner shows faces. One guy walked out in 3rd minute of Tennis doubles because of his partner stumbled (me) to pick the pace, I felt deeply humiliated. In next week, I defied and defeated him repeatedly for two months continuously in singles. Well, lost couple of games he lost out of angry instead of putting fight.


Written enough about this. Let us encourage our Team not bash them. Let us keep the criteria on the amount of fight our team put than really the victory.

At last, this game has revolutionized the interests of poor class in India, they earlier never had any recourse to focus their sports interest other than movies but now I am glad they do.


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Trinity
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By all means they are entitled to do as many endorsements that come their way, nothing wrong there. Trouble is when the money they make due to those endorsements takes precedence over the cricket. Hence, people now want to be in the sport for the love of the money not so much for love of the sport - see the difference. That does not happen elsewhere. Sport first, everything else (endorsements included) next.

And they are professionals (or supposed to be), so irrespective of anything else they are expected to play well, under pressure or otherwise. Hence people who understand sports and follow cricket, get upset when the Indian team does not play professionally, like it was yesterday. One more point - most Indians get emotionally involved in the sport and that explains the various things we see in the media - another no no. As I said before, it is just a game, which most Indian followers do not understand. Burning effigies, protesting, etc. over any sport is plain ridiculous and unwarranted - of course the media needs to show this as the media thrives on sensationalism.

No harm in losing to a better team, that is a part of any sport. Lose after you put up a good fight, it is just a game. But do not lose before you actually lose.

Trinity


 
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chandresh
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JRF,

Very well said..........and hope you can put some sense into the minds (and emotions) of the large majority of cricket fans (and cricketers' fans) that the best way to improve performance, whether of a cricket team, or a child at home is to encourage and wish him better luck next time, rather than ridicule.

Both my wife and I watched both the matches yesterday and though we felt bad that India lost - we also felt that it was more than money's worth what we watched. Bangladesh played superb and I would love to see their match against SL and will not be surprised if they beat them too. On the other hand, Pak-Neth match was a real cliffhanger and though it was sad to see Pakistan outsted, the match provided superb entertainment.

A match should be taken only as a match - and not the end of the world. While a victory provides happiness and joy to the nation, a loss should provide reasons to introspect and further improve on shortcomings. For this the "Family" of national friends should provide encouragement and support, not burn effigies.

Chandresh

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jughead
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Not a very good timing for this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/cricket/6462199.stm

As if the superhero/demi-god status given to the Indian cricketers was not enough, here comes a comic book featuring superhero Tendulkar! They were probably hoping to cash in on the world cup fever!

BTW, I'm not a Sachin-basher - he is still one of my favourites. Just found the timing amusing. Let's see if he can use his "flaming cricket bat" to destroy the opposition in the next 2 matches and see India through!


 
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Maharaj
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Originally posted by JRFWritten enough about this. Let us encourage our Team not bash them. Let us keep the criteria on the amount of fight our team put than really the victory.


Yes, Lets encourage them and be with them in testing times.

One very common issue between those two upset victories - The Fielding Standard. Its no brainer, both India & Pakistan both are fighting to get at bottom of the fielding chart. Look at how Irish & Bangla Team carried, saved and caught on field.

With Fit & energetic team comes good Fielding and very importantly Fighting Spirit. Yesterday I failed to see any screams/encouragement on field. I saw some from Karthick standing at boundary. Indian Team failed to grasp as many as 5 half chances (that I remember at this time - there could be more). And Team failed to Surprise (Shock) Bangla Team. All moves on field were predictable. Surprise used to be main weapon for Azhar.

Having said that, Pak had better chance of defending than India. Pak missed a trick, when they thought of Bouncing them Out. I thought Spin could have given them win as Irish are exposed to Seam & Quick bowlers more than spinners.

Having said all that, Team India can still do it - come back and get in through Super 8. They have scored heavy against SL before on Foreign Soil in World Cup against almost the same team. No need of knee Jerk reactions. Team, I think, was OK. I would love to see Kumble in place Bhajju.





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ganu
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my thoughts
First of all the banglas were outstanding. A team that has come of age. I look forward to more IND-BANGLA matches in the future.

Notes -

1. The sehwag factor - he is not in form. period. how many matches is it going to take for the team to come to this conclusion. He needs to sit for the sake of the team and his own cricket. his inability to deliver ensures that we never get good starts.

2. The agarkar factor - Pretty inconsistent guy. mediocre performer. Sreesanth is not very consistent either, but he is young and has more fire... a better attitude. sree would be a better opening bowler that agarkar. Sree needs to be honed to be a matchwinner. he is the future.

3. kartik - good fielder ... very handy batsman any where in the order. never say die attitude. he would be an ideal No. 4.

4. bhajji - needs to sit out. The pitches are better suited for kumbles top spinners. bhajji also seems to lack intensity in his game.

5. I do not believe that pathan has the ability to deliver. He is also woefully out of form. It would be a mistake to pick pathan in favor of any other bowler.

6. zaheer , sree, and munaf are pretty well balanced.

7. from a batting perspective dada did the best thing under the circumstances.. dropping anchor at a crucial time.

8. The sachin factor - hopefully he will have the grace to bow out of the team like his distinguished australian counterparts. that said, i dont see it feasible or logical to drop him for the remaining matches. moving him to the top of the order may not be such a bad move

rest of the team seems fine and performing as expected. they did bowl well you know. Bangladesh didnt get there till the last few overs. even though zaheer got tonked for a few by that outstanding young fellow. zak remains a very good performer.

dunno if anybody would read this. i just needed to share my thoughts.

If we have the courage and self-belief to make some tweaks , I believe that we still have a good chance of making it thru.


cheers




 
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http://newindpress.com/sports/cricket/wc2007/News.asp?Topic=448&Title=&ID=IES20070318115923&nDate=&Sub=&

Luck has to favour India to make the cut

Sunday March 18 2007 22:20
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PORT OF SPAIN: After their opening round humiliation against Bangladesh, team India needs a heavy dose of favour from lady luck if they are to make the cut for the super 8 stage of the cricket World Cup.

Theoretically, all is not lost yet for India, who can still make it to the elite league by finishing among the top two sides from group B.

According to the World Cup rules, top two teams from each group will qualify for the super 8 stage but with Sri Lanka and Bangladesh having already won a match each and India yet to open an account, their promotion to next level is in jeopardy.

To keep themselves afloat, the immediate assignment before Rahul Dravid's men is to win against Bermuda with a heavy margin on Monday and improve their run rate.

And even if India manage to do that, they will have to get past the biggest hurdle on March 23 when they meet Sri Lanka and again a mere win here won't suffice.

Sri Lanka, the other title contender in group B, have already made their intentions clear with a 243-run pounding of Bermuda and that means mere win won't do it for India if it comes to net run rate.

Assuming India achieve even that, the passage to super 8 is still not assured and then it would hinge on the outcome of the Bangladesh-Bermuda match on March 25.

In that match, India would clearly be rooting for the American outfit, hoping them to tame the Bangla tigers even though that would need another upset.

And to talk about the worst case, a defeat on Monday against Bermuda or the Lankans on March 23 would be the end of all roads for the men in blue.

On the other hand, whoever wins the March 21 match between Sri Lanka and Bangladesh will book their super 8 berth.

If the point tally fails to settle the issue, net run rate would decide the fate if teams are locked in a tie.

A team's net run rate is calculated by deducting from the average runs per over scored by that side throughout the relevant portion of the competition, the average runs per over scored against that team throughout the relevant portion of the competition.

If everything goes according to India's liking, still Bangladesh would enjoy an enviable situation as they would have a clear idea about what they need when they meet Bermuda on March 25.

And despite all calculations and number-crunching, rained out matches or tied ties can turn every equation upside down.

At this stage, it is clear that mere performance won't suffice anymore and team India, far from being the maker of its own destiny, is at the complete mercy of lady luck in this World Cup.


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Cricket fans vandalise Dhoni's house

Sunday March 18 2007 21:33
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RANCHI: Enraged over the poor performance of Indian teams star wicketkeeper-batsman Mahindra Singh Dhoni in the first match in World Cup, cricket fanatics on Sunday vandalisd his under-construction house and damaged its boundary wall in the State capital here.

Dhoni returned to the pavillion without making any run against Bangladesh team.

About fifty youths assembled near the construction site of Dhoni's house, shouted slogans against the cricketer and burnt his effigy at about 1430hrs, sources said adding that later the house was damaged.

Meanwhile, police sources said no complaint was lodged in this regard.

The piece of land was allotted to Dhoni by the erstwhile NDA government led by Arjun Munda and the Ranchi regional development had recently passed the map for the proposed house to be constructed on that plot.




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Maharaj
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Originally posted by shankaracharya

http://newindpress.com/sports/cricket/wc2007/News.asp?Topic=448&Title=&ID=IES20070318115923&nDate=&Sub=&

Luck has to favour India to make the cut

Sunday March 18 2007 22:20
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Cricket fans vandalise Dhoni's house

Sunday March 18 2007 21:33
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Now it looks like your Post :clap: :clap: :clap:

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JRF
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This with Dhoni is still better than what happened to Bob Wolmer who died of massive heart attack against the stress and anxiety to stamp his foot in Pakistan.

The team / mgmt has to sit down and analyze what we're really lacking. To date, the team has good batting line up and a decent bowling line up too. Fielding, He he, we're not trained for that coz our body can't bend.. sorry we will equalize it in our bowling and batting.

Well, well what we really lack is Chutzbaah and sadly given the current trend (over all) I doubt this could ever be restored ( had it existed before ) or boosted.

So Whose the culprit ?
Its our INTOLERANCE Do the math! you could reconcile.


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Cricket fans vandalise Dhoni's house

Sunday March 18 2007 21:33
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Now it looks like your Post :clap: :clap: :clap:


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