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Originally posted by Iceberg
It is not for you, the nurses or anyone to decide an emergency.
You suggest rolling dice then?
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Originally posted by Iceberg
If one cannot get medical attention when one needs it why should one pay for such a system. .
Its normal for ANY emergency to in any part of the world to triage patients in terms of priority. In a busy emergency one HAS to wait if there are patients who are in more of an EMERGENCY than the average 'speck in the eye'. Theres no point in blaming overworked health professionals about long wait times which is another(valid) issue.
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Originally posted by Iceberg
She too is in Quebec, why don't you walk to her and explain in person how good the medical system is and why she does not need to worry.
Did you read that I wrote I waited 5 hrs? My last wait one month ago was 12 hrs. Again for my son...5yr old.
I would be foolish to say that the system is perfect under such conditions. Though I have to say that whenever I have visited the hospitals they have always triaged the family correctly. There have been times when we have been seen by the doctors in less than 2 minutes(at the VERY SAME emergency wing) due to life threatening conditions. So I do trust that there was a reason for the wait...when I did have to wait 12 hrs. Its not the system I am defending as much as the doctors and nurses who are holding it up. Blaming them is as effective as blaming the enron receptionist for the shady accounting.
Like Raj mentioned the doctors/hospitals are themselves in a bind. Its best not ot blame them unnecessarily....they often perform beyond the call of duty under trying conditions. They are more than often NOT the problem inspite of what your and the 'speck in the eye' gentlemans sense of self-entitlement says.Talk to your MP's instead of blaming the nurses and doctors that they did not treat a 'speck in the eye' as 'code red'.
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Posted on: 29-12-06 00:16:44
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Originally posted by jake3d
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Originally posted by Iceberg
It is not for you, the nurses or anyone to decide an emergency.
You suggest rolling dice then?
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Originally posted by Iceberg
If one cannot get medical attention when one needs it why should one pay for such a system. .
Its normal for ANY emergency to in any part of the world to triage patients in terms of priority. In a busy emergency one HAS to wait if there are patients who are in more of an EMERGENCY than the average 'speck in the eye'. Theres no point in blaming overworked health professionals...over long wait times which is another issue.
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Originally posted by Iceberg
She too is in Quebec, why don't you walk to her and explain in person how good the medical system is and why she does not need to worry.
Did you read that I wrote I waited 5 hrs? My last wait one month ago was 12 yrs. Again for my son...5yr old.
You waited 12 yrs?
I would be foolish to say that the system is perfect under such conditions. Though I have to say that whenever I have visited the hospitals they have always triaged the family correctly.
There have been times when we have been seen by the doctors in less than 2 minutes(at the VERY SAME emergency wing) due to life threatening conditions. So I do trust that there was a reason for the wait...when I did have to wait 12 hrs.
Like Raj mentioned the doctors/hospitals are themselves in a bind. Its best not ot blame them unnecessarily....they often perform beyond the call of duty under trying conditions. They are more than often NOT the problem inspite of what your and the 'speck in the eye' gentlemans sense of self-entitlement says.Talk to your MP's instead of blaming the nurses and doctors that they did not treat a 'speck in the eye' as 'code red'.
Did you really wait 12 yrs?
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Originally posted by regar
2. The nurse who had taken the history had forgotten the most important part of history ..Loss of conciousness to add to history hence the delay in seeing her
3.The paramedics stayed there for 4 hours watching just in case my daughter needed any help as they obviously could see the seriousness of the situation but the nurses could not.
It could be as you say or could be that the nurses saw that your daughters condition was stabilized due to the efforts of the paramedics. I am assuming that since the paramedics were standing by...the nurses(being medical professionals and all that) felt that your daughter was in a better position than someone else the doctors were currently attending to.
Of course I COULD be wrong and maybe the nurses were intentionally sidelining your family, were grossly inefficient, the seed of evil or a combination of all of the above, to begin with.
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Originally posted by investpro
Did you really wait 12 yrs?
yep then i decided to write this since its not 12 yrs yet
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well having been part of the medical system for good 18 years and knowing what is considered an emergency in medical terms and to priortize them is why i was worried.... though i can see the strengths i can also see the weakness in the system....keeping a 5 year waiting for good 8 hours and exposing a child to all kind of other patients in emergency set up is really traumatic ..hope one day system will take care of these major flaws in the system and make a visit to hospital less traumatic one.
Hope one day i will be part of improved system and not be part of the system now and be criticized.
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Originally posted by regar
....keeping a 5 year waiting for good 8 hours and exposing a child to all kind of other patients in emergency set up is really traumatic.
As a parent I understand. I myself hate our visits to the emergency for this reason.
At the same time...you did blame the nurses. Is it possible that the nurses decided that there was some other crucial and dire emergency that the few available resources had to be allocated to at that particular time? Arent professionals supossed to make a call as to what is more important.
If the positions are switched, would you make the call as a professional or as a parent?
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I have been through all this as a professional and i am aware of the conditions which should be given priority ...but i guess the real problem which we discovered later was when we saw the doc who said there was no mention of loss of conciousness in medical history taken by the nurse...
which was the main reason for us to visit the emergency and had that been there i am sure that she would have been seen a little earlier ...but the fact remains as a witness to movement of patients there i knew which ones were real emergency and needed to jump queue for obvious reasons but some jumped for reasons other than emergency actually i am planing to take it up further with authorities after the holidays are over and drive the point home that all those sitting in the waiting room are not lay people there are thousands of health professionals and some may be there if they are unfortunate and will witness the system..leave alone the rudeness with which the nurses wee addressing some of the people who questioned her regarding long waits ..if this was a case else where the nurse wouldnt be deaking with emergency from next day on.
