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Originally posted by my2cents
I personally think that India should subcontract all anti-terrorism activities to Israel....Israel knows how to deal with terrorrism more effectively than any other country in the world....
LOL! They seem to be in cleaning mode right now.
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What do people think about the Pak. govt's initial reaction? From what I heard, they expressed their condolences and went right to point out that such incidents should be dealt with by resolving the Kashmir issue!!
I dont think the govt there can do much without being thrown out themselves.
Its probably in Indias best interests to be part of the global war on terror even if its with the US. Looks like we are in this together. There seems to be no middle way with these guys. Its either give up Kashmir or throw in our lot with the Americans. The third option is deal with it like the Russians do(the results are likely to be half assed there too). Thats the short term military pressure. As for the citizenry of the different countries...its upto them to keep the pressure on the militants within by speaking out against them. It should be as stupid to be a martyr for 'Jihad' as it is to talk about racial segregation.
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Posted on: 13-07-06 17:17:02
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Originally posted by ramar2005
There can be no second opinion about everyone wanting that terrorism must be nipped in the bud, terrorists should not be shown any mercy. The world leaders as usual have proclaimed “We are with India in this hour of need. “The dastardly act perpetrated on innocent people is totally condemnable”. If we go back in 1992 Mumbai blasts also the same words would have been uttered. Now it is 2006. If something were to occur 14 years plus i.e. in 2020, then also the world leaders would issue identical statements. It is as if they have it cyclostyled or Xeroxed these statements, ready for issuing.
Someone has mentioned something like “All religions have preached great ideals for mankind to follow. In the same breath we can say that all religions have defects because it is man who created religion”. If I name the person I may be accused of being repetitive. Suffice is to say, we are afraid to face the truth but will keep on endlessly complaining about terrorism. The truth is that we have shamelessly destroyed and are destroying Mother Earth. We are stripping the planet off its natural resources in the name of economic growth and go to war with each other for the sake of political power. We have done most damage and destruction during the last 80 or 100 years than during the previous 8000 or 10, 000 years. If anyone points it out he or she may be branded “not progressive thinking but –ve thinking person”. Unless we not only stop this destruction of our planet, but also reverse this mad drive, terrorism is bound to happen in one place or other, one time or other, somewhere in this world. Are we willing to learn and change our ways. It looks very unlikely, even if someone drives an aircraft between us and the computer screen in front.
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Thank you Blue Lobster for directing me to the proper place.
Hi There,
Well said.
Sadly I think its true. We as a society are vested in our own individual advancement however do not care (collectively) about the consequences of our actions ( example - the need to drive SUV's - consumption of natural resources etc).
Religion directly or indirectly causes conflict, egoism (my faith is better than yours syndrome). Why isnt there just a mass Humanity? Why arent we all one? Why are we afraid to follow our own moral compasses - why do we need someone 'out there' to tell us how to live our life" Are we afraid to follow our own path? Find our own 'reason for being' ?
What causes terrorism? How do you nip terrorism in the bud? What are the roots? who do you blame?
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Originally posted by morning_rain
Hi There,
Well said.
Sadly I think its true. We as a society are vested in our own individual advancement however do not care (collectively) about the consequences of our actions ( example - the need to drive SUV's - consumption of natural resources etc).
Religion directly or indirectly causes conflict, egoism (my faith is better than yours syndrome). Why isnt there just a mass Humanity? Why arent we all one? Why are we afraid to follow our own moral compasses - why do we need someone 'out there' to tell us how to live our life" Are we afraid to follow our own path? Find our own 'reason for being' ?
Totally true!
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What causes terrorism?
Self-interest...of all of us
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How do you nip terrorism in the bud?
nip self-interest in the bud?
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who do you blame?
Why look for anyone to blame as no one is without it? Whats the poin of that NOW? That question only breeds more self-rigghteousness from both sides.
The question still is WHAT NOW? How do we handle it NOW. How do we cultivate the feelings of mutual respect and brotherhood among all people? How for example do you tell people not to give into consumerism...at the same time how do we tell people that no faith has the authourity to take someone elses life. Both have to be achieved simultaneously for any tangible benefits. How do we open up the middle east societies to a more tolerant view of other religions? Will the whole world be ready to accept democracy and secularism at the same time? Unless this is possible...the inevitable showdown is only delayed.
I dont think its possible to impose the same mindset on all peoples of the globe at this point in time. I'm afraid we now have to deal with the practical problems and logistics of the 'results' of decades of grievances instead of trying to impose feelings of mutual respect in all and 'nipping the cause'.
Seeing the middle east looks like we are in for a rough ride. We may all one day sit down and decide together 'Never Again'. Maybe thats the silver lining.
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I think these guys have found the solution.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1748563.cms
Come on if you really think about it how about a couple more thousands being murdered/butchered.
I guess for some it ends when there is a bomb blast and for some it never does becuase living in fear of being jobless/without family/burnt down house /businesses is just one of the perks of being from a particular community. how many condemned the godhra riots............talk about having sympathy for their own people.
Anyways no point beating a dead horse. For the time being the solution in sight might be within reach. I just read somewhere that it there is a bangla link going through pak.
Kashmir has been the root cause of problems, send in the best we got and for once and for all clean it of whatever creating the problems. I would not like the fact that kashmiris were never given that chance to choose but i guess its too late in the game to consider what is wrong and what is right but the fact that looking at the future some sacrifices will have to be made.
The part that pissed me off was the fact that those guys on the trains had nothing to do with whatsoever anything slogging their butts of day in day out so they can support their family/themselves. If they had targeted somebody actually responsible for something I might not feel so bad as I do.
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Posted on: 13-07-06 23:48:50
Tut Tut...folks... I guess the discussion once locked by BlueLobster is going to be restarted...
Morning Rain has given some insight abt "Humanity".. Will you guys care to look at the last link in my signature ? You will get a good grasp and true picture of "Humanity" for some ppl...
Oh and before you jump at me.. The link in my signature was from the webpage of Zakir Naik (aha..from Mumbai)
Morning Rain..if you find the answers to "what causes terrorism", then plase share with us.. I wish OBC-land's military had the "balle-balle" like Israel... and I wish I was an Isreali now..at least I would have felt proud at my country actions...
Oh btw.. We have Maulvi Mulayam Singh Yaday..actually defending SIMI (the terrorist organization !!!).. strange things do happen in OBC-LAND
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1744173.cms" target="_blank">http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1744173.cms</a>
and Amitabh Bachhan is a "dar-khareed-Ghulam" of that party 
This one makes for interesting reading....
http://www.expressindia.com/messages.php?newsid=70969#154614" target="_blank">http://www.expressindia.com/messages.php?newsid=70969#154614
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I think the mass murder of 200 innocents has sparked all the discussions and focus on terrorism. The fact is that the terrorism has been going on continuously in India for more than decade. I remember my friend from Goa making an apt observation that Indians have been desensitized. We never bother about the terrorism or suffering till we are impacted and in most cases our sympathy lasts for a week or so and then everybody gets busy in their person life. I was so shocked to read some joker writing on the front page of IE how Mumbaikar got on their life within 12 hours! Nothing wrong with resilience but important thing is to learn lesson which, we as a country never seem to have learnt. With blast in Delhi, India gate Ahmedabad and now Bombay (List can be stretched to infinity) and regular killing of innocents in Kashmir and North east has no impact on public consciousness. We are so mired in to our caste, regional and religious differences that we do not give damn to such terrorist acts. It seems that there is absolute lack of nationalism and pride in our country and its heritage. Look at the kind of politicians we keep electing. Most corrupt Laloo , communal Mulayam and Modi, idiot Ramdoss , senile Arjun Singh, Chameleon Man Mohan and foreigner Sonia. Who do we look up for saving us? Bajpayee? A good person but should have retired long back. Advani? Ha! Communal and most ineffective minister. Perhaps Rahul! The guy has not uttered a word about reservation or economic policy and wants to be a PM.
We rightly keep Pakistan for terrorism but hardly take any steps which are within our means to combat it. Some of CD have advocated Israel’s policy. Well, they practically own US politicians and can get away with any thing. For India it is not possible. (Just to note that Paki Caucus in US congress is more powerful than Indian Caucus). Bush’s way? Again not feasible. US is super power and we are not. However, Bush has ensured that no further strike takes place in US. How did he achieve it? By implementing strict laws (Contrast with removal of POTA by congi), intensified surveillance (Phone taping and tracking money flows), stopping infiltration of illegal immigrants from certain countries (Contrast this with unchecked migration from Bangla) .
However, I firmly believe that India can do much more provided politicians find that India people are patriotic and would not, under any circumstances, tolerate any action which tears social and moral fabrics and for that we would have to learn to be Indian first, Does it sound difficult? No? Well to me it seems impossible unless another Sardar Patel is born to unite the country and its populace.
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Posted on: 14-07-06 12:11:29
Nightmare - I agree that Indians (whether in India or abroad) need to stand up for 'nationality' rather than "Im a punjabi, Im a gujarati, Im a tamil" (for ex). A shared humanity regardless of language, caste,creed, religion or belief.
Ottawa_Nerd - I was putting the question out..even rhetorically.
Wikipedia defines it:
"Terrorism refers to a strategy of using violence, or threat of violence to generate fear, cause disruption, and ultimately, to bring about compliance with specific political, religious, ideological, or personal demands"
I also wonder why secularism threatens some groups/individuals.
An interesting statement:
Terrorism is seen as a failure of Multiculturalism.
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