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There is no foolproof plan to contain terrorism. We have tried a lot of ways. The use of force has only intensified the problem.
Despite the support of the might of the USA Palestinian terrorists cannot be restrained.
In spite of massive bombings and the war in Afghanistan Al Qaeda still exists and is operating.
The long battle between Sri Lankan government and LTTE hasn’t changed anything. In the attempt to help Sri Lanka, India lost Rajiv Gandhi. Scores of Lankan leaders have lost their lives too.
The issue for us though- Kashmir. The mighty Indian force has not been able to curb the problem. Rather, it is aggravating with each passing day. When we claim about the peace in valley a train or a place of worship is bombed, to prove how phony the claim is.
It is ironic that powerful nations bomb weaker nations in the name of peace. The logic of this dubious strategy could be summed up by this paraphrased statement of a US soldier in Vietnam- ''We destroyed the village so it would not fall into enemy hands!''
This is essentially the same excuse that powerful nations still give today- military intervention for peace. They might do the alteration saying “'We destroyed the country cause it was in the wrong hands!” The United States did it in Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan, Russia did it in Afghanistan. All the militaries returned bleeding, leaving smaller countries in turmoil. The bombing for peace carries on unabated even today.
If mighty militaries cannot win against terrorists and violence and crime can not be eradicated from our society, then why do governments continue to use the instrument of war to get peace ?
The reasons for the terrorism –
There are different reasons for different regions and groups. But if we look into them carefully, it all mostly boils down to the same – religion, religion and religion. But is that a real issue or it’s just the way of generalizing something that has several reasons at several places? It is very easy to inspire the masses in the name of religion and tribe. This is what has happened for generations. The people who are victims of the system through discrimination (based on caste, religion, region etc.), oppression (political reason, power play, economic reason) and injustice in several forms are mainly a vulnerable category of the society. Some selfish people and even countries to serve their purpose or to achieve power manipulate them into religious fanatics (As mentioned earlier that is the easiest way) and incase its not religion surely its region.
If we try to address the issue, we need to address those social issues from where it stems. And we need to take a hard look in the mirror. Generally it’s because of the discrimination by the majority of a society against the minorities or a powerful and developed part of the society oppressing the weaker group. And this social and economic structure that is there for ages forms a group of rebels. And then those rebels are converted to terrorists fighting for a wrong reason with the wrong means. At times fighting for a right reason with a wrong means.
The discrimination on the basis of skin color, religion, caste, language are deep rooted in the society and its structure and its values. We all maintain double standards. We all so-called educated people always claim to be free of this malice. We all have it in us. When we make someone feel like a stranger in their home land. When we make someone isolated while advancing further - we produce terrorists. The day we can overcome it we will not have terrorists popping up everywhere everyday. One Laden can do nothing without an Al Qaeda. When we bomb a country for capturing one Laden we actually give birth to another million of them.
In India, the problem is caused by the many languages, religions, and basically the diversity of India. I recollect someone talking about Uttaranchal. Yes we have already given an Uttaranchal. We have given Uttaranchal, Jharkhand and Chhatishgarh years back to bring in stability in those regions. There are ULFA, Naga, Borro, Kamtapoori, Nakshalists running their militant activities in different parts of the country. The north-eastern scenario is created because of the cultural difference of the region and communication gap. We have forgotten to take them with us while we moved on. We never considered them to be one of us. And now we are paying for it.
But Kashmir is the main issue. The scenario is completely different there. Wrong policies for years, false commitment at the beginning, a generation considering themselves as non-Indian (same with north-east too) whose enemy is the entire nation. Oppression by the state (Oppression cannot be a lasting remedy.)
When we need to take the help of military in a region for decades to keep control, it substantiates the fact that its residents cannot be controlled without weapons and that’s what I call as oppression. Cause there we have no spontaneous support from the mass. And it’s not a mob that turned violent for a temporary period and on a spur of the moment. The problem is far more serious and acute. And yes, the religious differences which made them think Pakistan is their friend and not India. This helped them get the outside help from the other Islamic terrorist organizations.
NOW there is probably no remedy to it. Or may be the remedy we have for it is a bitter truth, which no Indian, including me, can digest.
So is there really no remedy of it?
Well we can give it a last try. We can start by coming down hard on, and banning organizations like VHP, RSS, Shiv Sena etc. Leaders like Narendra Modi should be charged as a criminal, and tried. For a last time as a last chance we might try by thinking of Muslims as our brothers. Try it sincerely, and think in a real sense and practice it. And still if we can’t solve the problem then we should accept that the damage has been done long back and its beyond repair.
The entire post was deliberately excluded the elaborate histories of the oil war of the middle east, the Cold war between Russia and America and the rise of Taleban and Laden, the power game of the USA, the oppression in Bosnia and Chechnya, the Israel and USA alliance, etc.
I know many of us don’t agree with me at all. But if we don’t address the problem which made these head rise the judgment day is not far away. What mistakes we have made may be irreversible, but let’s try not to repeat them. And if we cant change ourselves. Then lets not complain about terrorism too, Lets not talk about Islamic terrorists. Time and again many of us has proved we are no less too.

Ambiguity, you have spoken like a true "pseudo-liberal" (reminds me of Arundhati Roy and her Ilk..)

You have infact tried to put a humane face to terrorism... I dont see any reason why I should *Justify* terrorism... You sound more like the Foreign minister of Pakistan when he equated the Bomb blasts in Mumbai to not being able to solve the problems with Pakistan !

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Leaders like Narendra Modi should be charged as a criminal, and tried. For a last time as a last chance we might try by thinking of Muslims as our brothers. Try it sincerely, and think in a real sense and practice it.

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Things have changed considerably... In this forum had you criticize Muslims (terrorists) in the past or condemn Pakistan you would have been banned /edited by this time. Ye jaruri ya majburi.
Same every where. Sympathy has conspicuously vanished now.

1. Indira Gandhi started criticizing for her every failure as FOREIN HAND.
2. Promoted Sant Brindan valae
3. backfire 1- sant ji killed
4. backfire 2indira killed
5. ramjet malaniside with the militants difence
6. rajiv promoted LTTE
7. back fire 3, peace keeping force
8. back fire 4 rajive killed
9. ramjet malani is now a friend to cong
10. Jayaprkash Narayan wanted mutiny.
11. Bomb blasts and or murdering citizens has later become common for silly things like If ruling party has to face a no confidence motion , like hyderabad unrest and hundreds died ( were liked) sponsored by govt. on that day during NTR dethronement chapter 1.
12. The famous movie Mother India in which the mother kills her own son. The same son munna in real life was protected by his father.
13. Trade union leader George (Baroda Dynamism) ultimately has become defense minister.
14. Sanyasins, actors , homemakers , widows and widow wannbles have become violent politicians (women wanted to accept widowhood ( sushmita swaraj) if a naturalized foreigner becomes Prime minister of the country). Domesticated terrorism .
15. Rabdi is the only exceptional who could become what she is even when her husband is alive.( sorry for my poor taste of analysis and irresponsible and irrelevant topics)
16. Buses can be targeted or allowed to torch for statue mud or international crude oil price raise. Bal takray is not terrorist . Pagal k….
17. If you want to become chief minister of Gujarat you must know how to terrorize Muslims. Otherwise Gujarat is will not vote.
18. We madvanis in BJP see a great opportunity at the bomb blasts, otherwise how can we prove Pakistan is a rogue country.
19. Advent is the most honorable in whose presence the anybody temple (babri masjid) was demolished. He did not want a bad name second time that is why he personally brought / accompanied the commendos to Askardam.
20. Indian muslims like Pakistan cricketers a simbal of universal love.

We die. Bombs blast and they don’t respect the religions but kill all .We debate for a while. Release some frustration.

Indian opposition is so positive -they see a light for future in these blasts. The darkened lives of 200 families here to stay for their rest of life.

Years ago , my wife’s almost dead body underwent a caesarian section after spending 24 hrs of labor pains to travel 15 minutes drive to hospital and gave almost a still birth . All due to a bloody caste war.

If we don’t have communal fights we will have caste fights. Like God, Satan is every where and in every form.

You can fight in eithers name.

Kissa kursi ka .ye naya nahin. Normal che.

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Nowhere in media do I read about any politicians making statement about kicking this terrorist's a**. The only thing MMS could do was to say there was Pakistan's hand in this issue.

I could hardly hear what home minister Shivraj Patil read after the bomb blast.

Why do Indian politicians refrain from using harsh language as their western counterparts? Why do we always have to make a show of "peace loving" country?

Only two people go missing from Israel and they bomb Lebanon!!!! When will Manmohan learn from this???

It is time to become a MAN and take reins in his hands.

Meghal

Ok. Let me reframe- to the possible extent .

Whenever people/parties/countries found difficulty to reach (retain) to power/ govern a state/country/a religious sect they have resorted to various wrong routes.

Call it terrorism or insurgency with which countries were created, people stayed in power beyond their legitimacy etc.
Panama was created. East and West Germany were created. Lot of countries in east Europe was created by ex communists. Many African dictators were allowed to make friendship with British queen at the birth place of democracy and were highly respected by US as well.
Pakistan never had a legitimate govt was a highly favored nation for US as against its neighbor India.
These were all sins. Majority were the results of cold war. The present unipolarity exposed all these.
Now it is terrorism Vs Democracy .Democrats have taken the help of capitalists while terrorists of their religion heads.

Religion is an excuse. I have no doubts to say that Muslim world will continue to suffer and make others to suffer to some extent until they have democracies in their countries.

It is time to impose democracy on these people.

It is applicable to India also. Our idiots turned to political prostitution. They sleep with all sects /religion/region/language etc. at any given time. For them 101 is less than 100.

The rulers in Muslim world maintain double standards. They maintain balance with western world and their population to survive their position. Example: all Pakistan Presidents -present( and past) - criticize USA internally and yet his people know he is dancing to the tunes of west.
Same with all heads of states of Muslim world.

The foundation for these countries must be democracy, not the religion. Religion is very personal thing which can be practiced within every ones own mind.

As some body some where ,rightly said Kissa -kursi ka.

I also believe being a strong country in the world America has legitimate role / social responsibility to keep the order . Some times democracy is also not foolproof. World must agree.
You cannot have elections to choose leader in the primary school/grade 3.

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